Chapter 1558
Competitive Relationship
Chapter 1558 Competitive Relationship
Although with the strength and current situation of the Dutch East India Company, it would be a bit self-defeating to negotiate terms with Haihan during the negotiation process of the trade agreement, but Su Keyi, as the Minister of the East India Company in Sanya, still has to do his best to support his own camp. Strive for some favorable conditions.At least after he made a compromise statement on behalf of the East India Company, Su Keyi believed that Haihan should also make certain concessions in certain areas, so as to achieve a balance.
Schneider said with a smile: "Mr. Su, let's talk about the conditions first, but the ugly words are up front. Your country's requirements must also be within the framework of the trade agreement I just mentioned."
Su Keyi said: "My condition is... I hope that your country can open the ports in the sea area north of Zhoushan to the East India Company after that, and allow our merchant ships to dock and conduct trade activities in the area."
Schneider hadn't reacted to this, and Thomas next to him couldn't sit still: "Mr. Su Keyi, you are too ignorant of the situation for making such a request. Haihan's control area in the sea area north of Zhoushan Port is all military. How is it possible to allow foreign merchant ships to enter and exit at will?"
Su Keyi countered: "Really? I heard that merchant ships from your country are already sailing on the route north of Zhoushan."
Thomas' face changed slightly. The Portuguese merchant ship "Diego" had indeed obtained Haihan's approval and was allowed to join the transportation sequence of the northern route. If the voyage went smoothly, it should have arrived at Haihan's control area in Shandong by this time. Zhifu Port may even go to the more distant Liaodong area.This is not a well-known secret. The movement of the "Diego" in the north is an operation with a high level of secrecy for Portugal. Even the sailors on the ship may not know all the arrangements, and Thomas himself is not clear. The current exact location of the "Diego", but where did Su Keyi get the news from?
Su Keyi finished his sentence against Thomas, and immediately said to Schneider: "As Haihan's important trading partner, while fulfilling its obligations, the East India Company also hopes to receive the same treatment as other trading partner countries!"
Ned was also a little confused about its implementation at this time. Of course, he knew about the arrangement of the "Diego" on the northern route.This matter was originally an arrangement made after consultations between the Ministry of Commerce, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the Ministry of Shipping. The purpose is also to make the Portuguese feel more dependent on Haihan in the Far East trade. After all, the waters north of Jiangsu and Zhejiang For the Portuguese, it is still a restricted area, and they can only enter after Haihan's approval. The arrangement of the "Diego" is a special case.
However, Dutch merchant ships are currently not allowed to go to the Haihan-controlled area north of Jiangsu and Zhejiang, and even Dutch and Javanese sailors are not allowed to go to these areas. The reason is naturally that Haihan still has a certain degree of affection for the Netherlands. They do not intend to send the Dutch to the northern seas when the situation in the north is not stable, so as to prevent them from carrying out immigration and business activities on their own after collecting geographical information in the north.
Considering the global competition between Portugal and the Netherlands, Haihan did not disclose the mission arrangement of the "Diego" on the northern route, but Su Keyi pointed out this matter at this time, obviously from a certain Special channels received the news, and they wanted to use it as an exchange condition for the East India Company to reach a compromise with Haihan.
However, Schneider is not such an easy-talking person. Although in the impression of many people, his image is very slippery, but they often ignore that he is actually a very principled person, especially the things that have been determined , he will not make concessions easily.
"With regard to the arrangement of the northern sea route, our country needs to consider many issues. The current conditions are not suitable for opening the northern seaports to the East India Company." Seeing Su Keyi's eyes glanced at the Portuguese, Schneider knew what he was going to say, so he rushed to the port. It was said earlier: "The Portuguese merchant ship operating on the northern route was hired by the Ministry of Shipping of our country to deliver materials to the northern ports under the control of our country. If the merchant ships of the East India Company also want to receive such tasks, they can first Register with the shipping department and wait for arrangements."
The implication of Schneider’s words is that if you Dutch people want to get the same treatment, you can go through regular channels and go to the Ministry of Shipping to register and wait for the shipping schedule. As for when the schedule will be available, Schneider will of course not give a clear answer. reply.
Schneider's reply sounds like a concession to the East India Company, but it is not.On the one hand, it shows that Haihan will not share the northern port with the East India Company for the time being, and on the other hand, it leaves a hole so that the Dutch cannot accuse Haihan of favoring one another and deliberately targeting them.
Su Keyi was really speechless when he heard this answer. Schneider's move of retreating into advance was very old-fashioned, so he didn't know how to deal with it for a while.It is not the first day he has dealt with Schneider, and of course he knows that registering with the Ministry of Shipping according to Schneider's suggestion will not have any effect. There is no reason to ask the other party to change such an arrangement.It's just that the old opponent, the Portuguese, had clearly taken the lead in this round, and the Haihan people were obviously partial to him, which made it impossible for Su Keyi to just swallow his anger.
"If the merchant ships of the East India Company cannot be treated fairly in the waters of Daming, how can I believe that the trade standards promoted by your country can guarantee our interests?" After Su Keyi found out that the conditions he proposed were declined by Schneider by means, Bring the discussion back to the previous question.Only by firmly binding these two things together can Su Keyi have a chance to regain his current disadvantage in the negotiations.
Of course, Schneider immediately sensed the other party's intentions, and smiled instead of anger: "Mr. Su, I think you need to have a clearer understanding of the current situation of the East India Company. Regarding the future implementation of the trade agreement framework and related standards, today It is to inform your country, not to solicit your country's opinions. Of course, the East India Company can choose not to cooperate or implement the plan proposed by our country, but I have also made it very clear, and you are responsible for all consequences arising from it .As for the arrangement of the northern air route, let me open the window and speak clearly. If the trade agreement is not negotiated, then there is no need to consider other follow-up cooperation.”
Schneider's attitude is even tougher now. If Su Keyi is unwilling to agree to Haihan's proposal, it will be regarded as the East India Company's non-cooperation. As for sending merchant ships into the northern route, let alone dreaming .
Thomas lost no time to add fuel to the flames: "If the Dutch friend thinks he has been wronged, then our country will be happy to accept the Dutch friend's business share in Haihan, and the price is negotiable. Mr. Su Keyi, I suggest you consider it."
How could Su Keyi hand over the situation that he had managed to come up with casually to his competitors? Dang even resolutely rejected Thomas' "good intentions", and then said to Schneider: "This is really an unpleasant meeting, but for the sake of the East India Company, for the peace of the two countries, I think I still have to agree to your terms. But I also hope that Chief Shi will remember one thing, any cooperation is based on mutual benefit, and the East India Company will not have a bottom line If one day Governor Van Diemen believes that the cooperative relationship will affect the development of the East India Company itself, then the cooperation between our two countries may come to an end.”
"The pros and cons of cooperating with our country have been enough for the shareholders of the East India Company to see clearly in the past few years. If there is no money from the Far East, I don't think Governor Van Diemen's seat will be so secure. Sure enough. At least when I met him last time, he admitted that the East India Company's revenue has been increasing year by year in the past few years."
Regarding Su Keyi's statement, Schneider will not feel nervous because of this, because he is very clear about the nature and business objectives of the East India Company, and he can respond to Su Keyi's warning with ease: "The Dutch left their homes tens of thousands of miles to the far east. The purpose is to make a fortune. As long as you can make more money than in the past, what conditions can you not talk about? When you send a letter back to Batavia next time, you can tell Governor Van Diemen that our country is very happy Continue to maintain trade with the East India Company, but the premise is that it is carried out under the trade framework led by our country. If Governor Van Diemen believes that doing so will harm the interests of the East India Company, then we can temporarily suspend trade and restart Negotiation. Problems can be resolved through negotiation, can't they?"
Although Schneider said these words with a smile on his face, the last sentence was already threatening.Back then, Haihan and the East India Company were not able to sit together. The Dutch supported Shibazhi behind the scenes, and Haihan managed to support Xu Xinsu as the spokesperson. few.In addition, in the several offensive and defensive battles surrounding the control of Annbuna Island in the South China Sea, the Haihan Army also beat the Dutch without temper.It can be said that when the two sides used force to solve problems in the past, it was the Dutch side that suffered, and Haihan has maintained an unbeaten record so far.Based on this alone, Schneider has the confidence to say this.
Thomas looked at this scene gloatingly, and secretly thanked that he hadn't been impulsive to contradict Schneider just now, otherwise Su Keyi would not be the only one who can't step down now.He hoped that the two would have a stalemate so that Portugal would have the opportunity to compete for the trade share that belonged to the Netherlands.If the Governor Van Diemen, who is far away in the city of Batavia, is really crazy and wants to suspend trade and renegotiate, then Thomas can guarantee that before the end of the negotiations, Portugal will snatch the Dutch's trade share in Haihan and Daming. clean.
Although Thomas had been in Sanya for a long time, he was a diplomatic envoy with Su Keyi, so he had some friendship, but if there was a chance to make things worse for the East India Company, Thomas would not take personal friendship into consideration, and would definitely put the national interest first.And he knew that if Su Keyi had such an opportunity, he would definitely make the same choice.
Thomas has even considered, after this meeting is over, whether he should kill the carbine again and block the East India Company's road.What the Haihan people need is a partner who is obedient and willing to obey their arrangements, and Portugal will do this without the pimples in their hearts like the Dutch.Even on the road of pursuing independence, Portugal still needs Haihan's strong support. Although Haihan can't send troops to Europe to help Portugal fight a war of independence, at least he can sell some relatively advanced standard weapons to Portugal, and Beat the Spaniards from time to time in the Far East and South China Sea to limit the opponent's development momentum in this area.
In the Battle of Taipei in 1633, Haihan pulled out the Spanish stronghold on the southeast coast of Ming Dynasty. The Sanya spy case in 1634 destroyed the intelligence network deployed by Spain on Hainan Island. In the Sanya Naval Battle in 1635, the Haihan Navy defeated the incoming Spanish fleet at their doorstep, and even caused panic in Manila.
Although Haihan had to give up his plan to attack Manila for the sake of the layout of the north, the Portuguese already knew that the two sides were deeply connected. Even if it was to deal with Spain, the Portuguese in the Far East should unite. Stand on Haihan's side.So in many subsequent affairs, Portugal basically stood on the side without thinking, and hugged Haihan's thigh tightly, hoping that one day he could encourage Haihan's soldiers to send Manila and drive the damn Spaniards out of the Far East.
Of course, the Dutch actually have the same attitude when it comes to dealing with the Spaniards.As a country that is also engaged in colonial competition on a global scale, the East India Company is no less afraid of Manila than it is of Haihan.The two countries have not only fought fiercely on the European battlefield, but also have been attacking and defending each other in the colonial battles around the world.Moreover, the Dutch are very clear that the conflict of interest with the Spaniards is very sharp, unlike the relationship between the East India Company and Haihan, which can be improved through negotiation and trade cooperation, unless the final victory is determined on the European battlefield. , otherwise overseas institutions like the East India Company could never have kept peace with the Spaniards.
However, in 1632, the war launched by the Matalan Kingdom against the city of Batavia greatly damaged the strength of the East India Company, so that in the next few years, the main energy could only be put on rebuilding the city of Batavia. There is no time to deal with the Spaniards at all.If it weren't for the existence of Haihan, the Spanish fleet might have gone south from Manila without any scruples, and went straight to Batavia to complete the final blow to defeat the East India Company.
(End of this chapter)
Although with the strength and current situation of the Dutch East India Company, it would be a bit self-defeating to negotiate terms with Haihan during the negotiation process of the trade agreement, but Su Keyi, as the Minister of the East India Company in Sanya, still has to do his best to support his own camp. Strive for some favorable conditions.At least after he made a compromise statement on behalf of the East India Company, Su Keyi believed that Haihan should also make certain concessions in certain areas, so as to achieve a balance.
Schneider said with a smile: "Mr. Su, let's talk about the conditions first, but the ugly words are up front. Your country's requirements must also be within the framework of the trade agreement I just mentioned."
Su Keyi said: "My condition is... I hope that your country can open the ports in the sea area north of Zhoushan to the East India Company after that, and allow our merchant ships to dock and conduct trade activities in the area."
Schneider hadn't reacted to this, and Thomas next to him couldn't sit still: "Mr. Su Keyi, you are too ignorant of the situation for making such a request. Haihan's control area in the sea area north of Zhoushan Port is all military. How is it possible to allow foreign merchant ships to enter and exit at will?"
Su Keyi countered: "Really? I heard that merchant ships from your country are already sailing on the route north of Zhoushan."
Thomas' face changed slightly. The Portuguese merchant ship "Diego" had indeed obtained Haihan's approval and was allowed to join the transportation sequence of the northern route. If the voyage went smoothly, it should have arrived at Haihan's control area in Shandong by this time. Zhifu Port may even go to the more distant Liaodong area.This is not a well-known secret. The movement of the "Diego" in the north is an operation with a high level of secrecy for Portugal. Even the sailors on the ship may not know all the arrangements, and Thomas himself is not clear. The current exact location of the "Diego", but where did Su Keyi get the news from?
Su Keyi finished his sentence against Thomas, and immediately said to Schneider: "As Haihan's important trading partner, while fulfilling its obligations, the East India Company also hopes to receive the same treatment as other trading partner countries!"
Ned was also a little confused about its implementation at this time. Of course, he knew about the arrangement of the "Diego" on the northern route.This matter was originally an arrangement made after consultations between the Ministry of Commerce, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the Ministry of Shipping. The purpose is also to make the Portuguese feel more dependent on Haihan in the Far East trade. After all, the waters north of Jiangsu and Zhejiang For the Portuguese, it is still a restricted area, and they can only enter after Haihan's approval. The arrangement of the "Diego" is a special case.
However, Dutch merchant ships are currently not allowed to go to the Haihan-controlled area north of Jiangsu and Zhejiang, and even Dutch and Javanese sailors are not allowed to go to these areas. The reason is naturally that Haihan still has a certain degree of affection for the Netherlands. They do not intend to send the Dutch to the northern seas when the situation in the north is not stable, so as to prevent them from carrying out immigration and business activities on their own after collecting geographical information in the north.
Considering the global competition between Portugal and the Netherlands, Haihan did not disclose the mission arrangement of the "Diego" on the northern route, but Su Keyi pointed out this matter at this time, obviously from a certain Special channels received the news, and they wanted to use it as an exchange condition for the East India Company to reach a compromise with Haihan.
However, Schneider is not such an easy-talking person. Although in the impression of many people, his image is very slippery, but they often ignore that he is actually a very principled person, especially the things that have been determined , he will not make concessions easily.
"With regard to the arrangement of the northern sea route, our country needs to consider many issues. The current conditions are not suitable for opening the northern seaports to the East India Company." Seeing Su Keyi's eyes glanced at the Portuguese, Schneider knew what he was going to say, so he rushed to the port. It was said earlier: "The Portuguese merchant ship operating on the northern route was hired by the Ministry of Shipping of our country to deliver materials to the northern ports under the control of our country. If the merchant ships of the East India Company also want to receive such tasks, they can first Register with the shipping department and wait for arrangements."
The implication of Schneider’s words is that if you Dutch people want to get the same treatment, you can go through regular channels and go to the Ministry of Shipping to register and wait for the shipping schedule. As for when the schedule will be available, Schneider will of course not give a clear answer. reply.
Schneider's reply sounds like a concession to the East India Company, but it is not.On the one hand, it shows that Haihan will not share the northern port with the East India Company for the time being, and on the other hand, it leaves a hole so that the Dutch cannot accuse Haihan of favoring one another and deliberately targeting them.
Su Keyi was really speechless when he heard this answer. Schneider's move of retreating into advance was very old-fashioned, so he didn't know how to deal with it for a while.It is not the first day he has dealt with Schneider, and of course he knows that registering with the Ministry of Shipping according to Schneider's suggestion will not have any effect. There is no reason to ask the other party to change such an arrangement.It's just that the old opponent, the Portuguese, had clearly taken the lead in this round, and the Haihan people were obviously partial to him, which made it impossible for Su Keyi to just swallow his anger.
"If the merchant ships of the East India Company cannot be treated fairly in the waters of Daming, how can I believe that the trade standards promoted by your country can guarantee our interests?" After Su Keyi found out that the conditions he proposed were declined by Schneider by means, Bring the discussion back to the previous question.Only by firmly binding these two things together can Su Keyi have a chance to regain his current disadvantage in the negotiations.
Of course, Schneider immediately sensed the other party's intentions, and smiled instead of anger: "Mr. Su, I think you need to have a clearer understanding of the current situation of the East India Company. Regarding the future implementation of the trade agreement framework and related standards, today It is to inform your country, not to solicit your country's opinions. Of course, the East India Company can choose not to cooperate or implement the plan proposed by our country, but I have also made it very clear, and you are responsible for all consequences arising from it .As for the arrangement of the northern air route, let me open the window and speak clearly. If the trade agreement is not negotiated, then there is no need to consider other follow-up cooperation.”
Schneider's attitude is even tougher now. If Su Keyi is unwilling to agree to Haihan's proposal, it will be regarded as the East India Company's non-cooperation. As for sending merchant ships into the northern route, let alone dreaming .
Thomas lost no time to add fuel to the flames: "If the Dutch friend thinks he has been wronged, then our country will be happy to accept the Dutch friend's business share in Haihan, and the price is negotiable. Mr. Su Keyi, I suggest you consider it."
How could Su Keyi hand over the situation that he had managed to come up with casually to his competitors? Dang even resolutely rejected Thomas' "good intentions", and then said to Schneider: "This is really an unpleasant meeting, but for the sake of the East India Company, for the peace of the two countries, I think I still have to agree to your terms. But I also hope that Chief Shi will remember one thing, any cooperation is based on mutual benefit, and the East India Company will not have a bottom line If one day Governor Van Diemen believes that the cooperative relationship will affect the development of the East India Company itself, then the cooperation between our two countries may come to an end.”
"The pros and cons of cooperating with our country have been enough for the shareholders of the East India Company to see clearly in the past few years. If there is no money from the Far East, I don't think Governor Van Diemen's seat will be so secure. Sure enough. At least when I met him last time, he admitted that the East India Company's revenue has been increasing year by year in the past few years."
Regarding Su Keyi's statement, Schneider will not feel nervous because of this, because he is very clear about the nature and business objectives of the East India Company, and he can respond to Su Keyi's warning with ease: "The Dutch left their homes tens of thousands of miles to the far east. The purpose is to make a fortune. As long as you can make more money than in the past, what conditions can you not talk about? When you send a letter back to Batavia next time, you can tell Governor Van Diemen that our country is very happy Continue to maintain trade with the East India Company, but the premise is that it is carried out under the trade framework led by our country. If Governor Van Diemen believes that doing so will harm the interests of the East India Company, then we can temporarily suspend trade and restart Negotiation. Problems can be resolved through negotiation, can't they?"
Although Schneider said these words with a smile on his face, the last sentence was already threatening.Back then, Haihan and the East India Company were not able to sit together. The Dutch supported Shibazhi behind the scenes, and Haihan managed to support Xu Xinsu as the spokesperson. few.In addition, in the several offensive and defensive battles surrounding the control of Annbuna Island in the South China Sea, the Haihan Army also beat the Dutch without temper.It can be said that when the two sides used force to solve problems in the past, it was the Dutch side that suffered, and Haihan has maintained an unbeaten record so far.Based on this alone, Schneider has the confidence to say this.
Thomas looked at this scene gloatingly, and secretly thanked that he hadn't been impulsive to contradict Schneider just now, otherwise Su Keyi would not be the only one who can't step down now.He hoped that the two would have a stalemate so that Portugal would have the opportunity to compete for the trade share that belonged to the Netherlands.If the Governor Van Diemen, who is far away in the city of Batavia, is really crazy and wants to suspend trade and renegotiate, then Thomas can guarantee that before the end of the negotiations, Portugal will snatch the Dutch's trade share in Haihan and Daming. clean.
Although Thomas had been in Sanya for a long time, he was a diplomatic envoy with Su Keyi, so he had some friendship, but if there was a chance to make things worse for the East India Company, Thomas would not take personal friendship into consideration, and would definitely put the national interest first.And he knew that if Su Keyi had such an opportunity, he would definitely make the same choice.
Thomas has even considered, after this meeting is over, whether he should kill the carbine again and block the East India Company's road.What the Haihan people need is a partner who is obedient and willing to obey their arrangements, and Portugal will do this without the pimples in their hearts like the Dutch.Even on the road of pursuing independence, Portugal still needs Haihan's strong support. Although Haihan can't send troops to Europe to help Portugal fight a war of independence, at least he can sell some relatively advanced standard weapons to Portugal, and Beat the Spaniards from time to time in the Far East and South China Sea to limit the opponent's development momentum in this area.
In the Battle of Taipei in 1633, Haihan pulled out the Spanish stronghold on the southeast coast of Ming Dynasty. The Sanya spy case in 1634 destroyed the intelligence network deployed by Spain on Hainan Island. In the Sanya Naval Battle in 1635, the Haihan Navy defeated the incoming Spanish fleet at their doorstep, and even caused panic in Manila.
Although Haihan had to give up his plan to attack Manila for the sake of the layout of the north, the Portuguese already knew that the two sides were deeply connected. Even if it was to deal with Spain, the Portuguese in the Far East should unite. Stand on Haihan's side.So in many subsequent affairs, Portugal basically stood on the side without thinking, and hugged Haihan's thigh tightly, hoping that one day he could encourage Haihan's soldiers to send Manila and drive the damn Spaniards out of the Far East.
Of course, the Dutch actually have the same attitude when it comes to dealing with the Spaniards.As a country that is also engaged in colonial competition on a global scale, the East India Company is no less afraid of Manila than it is of Haihan.The two countries have not only fought fiercely on the European battlefield, but also have been attacking and defending each other in the colonial battles around the world.Moreover, the Dutch are very clear that the conflict of interest with the Spaniards is very sharp, unlike the relationship between the East India Company and Haihan, which can be improved through negotiation and trade cooperation, unless the final victory is determined on the European battlefield. , otherwise overseas institutions like the East India Company could never have kept peace with the Spaniards.
However, in 1632, the war launched by the Matalan Kingdom against the city of Batavia greatly damaged the strength of the East India Company, so that in the next few years, the main energy could only be put on rebuilding the city of Batavia. There is no time to deal with the Spaniards at all.If it weren't for the existence of Haihan, the Spanish fleet might have gone south from Manila without any scruples, and went straight to Batavia to complete the final blow to defeat the East India Company.
(End of this chapter)