Chapter 1771
Each has a plan
Chapter 1771 Each has a plan
Tao Donglai could understand Annan's and Fujian's desire for steam engines. After all, after seeing Haihan's extensive use of steam engines in social production and military fields in recent years, it is difficult for anyone to remain indifferent.Moreover, these two allies are wealthy and willing to spend money. If they can get steam engine manufacturing technology by spending money, then they will definitely not hesitate to invest a lot of money in this field.
But even if they made such a request with full sincerity, they still couldn't make Hai Han let go.After all, this is not a bargain in the field of trade. Earning more this year and earning less next year will not kill anyone. The application of steam engines is related to the development prospects and international status of Haihan Kingdom in the next few decades or even longer. The later the steam engine technology is, the greater Haihan's first-mover advantage on the road to industrialization will be. Compared with this long-term national interest, the immediate small profits can only be ignored.
This is probably also the case that Annan and Fujian, as allies, rarely get special treatment from Haihan, and they will inevitably feel a little frustrated.But they didn’t get nothing, maybe it was taken as compensation for refusing this request. Schneider said that he would lower the tariffs on the agricultural products exported to Haihan from the two places, and this is the most important area for Haihan to purchase materials from the two places every year. , which is equivalent to giving them benefits in disguise.
As for the plan to participate in the development of Liaodong, the two companies actually do not have a strong desire.Annan was powerless because of the distance, while Fujian had to worry about the feelings of the Ming court. After all, Xu Xinsu still held the post of Fujian General Soldier. If he extended his hand to Liaodong and followed Haihan to make troubles, he would not be able to hide it from the higher authorities. .Although Xu Xinsu cared less and less about the imperial court's will now, such things as stretching his hand across the border are still easy to cause people to be jealous. Even in Guangdong and Zhejiang, which are close at hand, Xu Xinsu has extremely restrained not to compete for the local Sea trade share.
If you want to talk about sending people to Liaodong, Xu Xinsu is more willing to send his elites to the battlefield there to temper at this stage, rather than sending businessmen there to seize the market.What the Xu family in Fujian is short of now is not money, but the armed forces that can make the Xu family stand on their own.This is not Xu Xinsu's plan to split the land from the Ming Dynasty and become king on his own, but if he wants to not be controlled by others, or to allow the Ming court to grant him and his family more privileges, then a strong armed force is an indispensable condition.It's like no one can say "no" calmly when facing Haihan's powerful guns. After dealing with Haihan for so many years, Xu Xinsu has long understood that he must have strength before he can have confidence reason.
Of course Xu Yuzhuo was also very disappointed in not being able to get permission from Haihan to purchase the steam engine, but this was basically within his expectations.This is actually not the first time that the Fujian side has asked Haihan to buy a steam engine, but basically every time the answer is the same, and Haihan has never shown signs of letting go of this aspect.This time, Zheng Zuo and Zheng Zuo made a request to Hai Han. In fact, it was more or less just a chance for a dead horse to be a living horse doctor. It doesn't hurt too much either.
Except for the steam engine, other trade requests put forward by Fujian and Annan were basically granted, which also slightly eased the unhappiness in the hearts of the two envoys.They don't know Haihan's long-term plan. Since they can get some other concessions from Haihan right now, making their camp profitable, then there is no need to entangle Haihan about the steam engine. .
Of course, they also understand that although Haihan has made some concessions in the field of trade, his dominant position will not change in any way.In fact, Haihan has always been extremely strong in international trade, as aggressive as the military, and only a few senior partners have the qualifications to sit down and bargain with Haihan's senior officials.
After the two families finished their conditions, it was Haihan's turn to make his own request.In fact, there is nothing new about Haihan's request this year. It is still two things: [-]. Expand the distribution channels of Haihan's products; [-]. Continue to expand the scale of recruiting immigrants.The former one is mainly aimed at Fujian, while the latter one is aimed at Annan.
The distribution channel that Haihan hopes is not limited to Fujian Province, but also hopes that Xu can use his own business organization to spread to Jiangxi, comfort, Hunan, Hubei and other provinces in the inland areas, and sell Haihan products to Daming and even more. many places.This is not only a matter of pursuing sales, but also to further increase Haihan's influence in Daming through this method.
The products Schneider focuses on are not the most profitable daily necessities, but stationery and printed matter.The traditional flagship product, glass stationery, and various books published in recent years are products that Haihan hopes to sell in large quantities in Daming at this stage. The cultural market of Ming Dynasty.
"If you don't make money...then what's the point of doing this business?" Xu Yuzhuo was a military commander after all, and he didn't have a clear understanding of Haihan's purpose in managing these cultural items, so he immediately raised a question.
The reason why Haihan intends to lose money and make money in this field is actually very simple. He wants to increase his reputation in the circle of literati in the Ming Dynasty, and then exert a subtle influence on the ruling class. Mingwen people served Haihan by emigrating to improve the average cultural level of the people.
Can literati really be attracted to work in this way?The answer is in the affirmative. Haihan has recruited quite a few immigrants from Ming Dynasty over the years, and anyone who can read and write will be asked the main reason for joining Haihan.In order to survive and make a living, or to think of the wealthy Haihan country to get rich are common reasons, but there are also people who have a good impression of this country because of the cultural items produced by Haihan.
Haihan has always attached great importance to propaganda methods, using cultural supplies as a bridge to import ideology and values to Ming Dynasty, and it is less likely to be resisted by Ming literati.And the exemplary role that these Ming literati who use Haihan cultural items can play in society is exactly one of the propaganda effects that Haihan wants to pursue.
However, Schneider will not tell Xu Yuzhuo all these calculations. This kind of thing can be done, but if it is clearly stated, Fujian may not be willing to spend resources to help Haihan promote these less profitable businesses in the future.
So Schneider changed another way of saying that is easier to accept: "We know that scholars in your country are often unable to buy books and the four treasures of the study because of their poor families, so we are happy to reduce the prices of these cultural items so that more Ming Dynasty Scholars can afford it and use it. Of course, we also hope that such kindness will be rewarded in the future. In the future, these literati will become famous and become officials, and they can also remember the favor of Haihan Kingdom during their hard study. "
Xu Yuzhuo couldn't tell whether Schneider's words were sincere or a commercial excuse, but it still sounded reasonable. After all, the benefits of this measure to the scholars of Daming were indeed obvious, so he clasped his fists and said, "Then Xu will take the place of Daming first." The scholars have thanked your country for your kind deeds!"
Tao Donglai was also secretly amused when he heard Schneider's high-sounding statement, but his expression was still very serious, and he said for Schneider: "Our country and Ming Dynasty are complementary. As long as Da Ming is peaceful and prosperous, our country can also have more Business."
Zheng Zuo next to him didn't have much special feeling about this. Haihan has a lot of businesses in Annan, and the cultural industry is one of them. He not only sells cultural goods, but has even opened a school in Annan's colony to enroll school-age children in Annan. Students with excellent grades still have the opportunity to study abroad in Sanya.As for whether doing so will have a negative impact on Annan in the long run, Zheng Bing, who is in power, has not considered that much. In his opinion, this is not a bad thing for Annan. After all, it is beneficial for more citizens to receive education.And Zheng Zuo was also affected by this, and he was not vigilant about this kind of cultural infiltration.
What Zheng Zuo was concerned about was Haihan's second request, which was to expand the scale of immigration.In the early years, when the population was exchanged for weapons, Annan just had to deal with a large number of war refugees and prisoners of war, so he provided Haihan with a large number of immigrants, and he was happy and relaxed.However, in recent years, Annan's domestic political situation has stabilized, and there will be some small-scale armed conflicts between Annan and Siam in the west from time to time, and the demand for military sources is also increasing year by year.
Nowadays, voluntary membership transfer is officially allowed, but Annan will no longer take the initiative to provide Haihan with a large number of immigrants. Haihan wants to expand the scale of immigration. What kind of expansion method should this be?
Tao Donglai gave the answer that Zheng Zuo was concerned about: "Prisoners of war, all prisoners of war on the western front of your country, as long as they are healthy and able to work, we can receive them for a fee."
There have been two waves of population explosion in Haihan's overseas immigration. The first wave mainly came from before and after the Annan Civil War, and the second wave came after the opening of the Daming Northern Airline.These two waves of immigration brought tens of thousands of people to Haihan, the most important of which were war refugees and prisoners of war.However, due to the stabilization of the situation in the north in the past two years, the number of immigrants from Shandong and Liaodong has also shown a downward trend.Although Haihan occupies Jinzhou, the local Han people have long been emptied out. Although the soldiers and civilians of Dongjiang Town in Phi Island have been absorbed, these people will still retain the nationality of Ming Dynasty in the near future-this is also one of the conditions for the establishment of diplomatic relations between Ming Dynasty and Haihan .Moreover, the population of Dongjiang Town will not be transported to the south for the time being, so it still cannot make up for the gap in the labor force needed for the development of industry in Hainan Island.
The battle in Manila captured quite a few Spaniards, but Haihan still hoped that he could extract a generous ransom fee from them, and considering the safety of management, even if he was sure that there was no money for the prisoner who was sentenced to hard labor, They will not all be escorted to Hainan Island to serve their sentences, but will be scattered to various overseas colonies as labor force.
Only relying on Haihan's own foreign wars, the prisoners of war obtained are not enough to meet Haihan's development needs, so now the executive committee has turned its idea to the allies.Unless Xu Xinsu rebelled, there would be no big battles to fight. He usually sent a small group of troops to follow Haihan to gain experience, and he couldn't count on Fujian to provide a large number of prisoners of war.On the contrary, Annan has not been able to deal with Siam in the past two years. The war between the two countries has been regarded by the Executive Committee as a possible source of population.
According to what Haihan knew, Annan's treatment of prisoners of war was either to execute them directly, or to squeeze them to death as hard labor. In short, he would not support idlers.And if Annan is allowed to transfer these prisoners of war in a paid way, the Executive Committee believes that this is an easy goal to achieve. After all, it has done similar operations with Annan in the early years.The now well-known admiral Wu Sen was originally a South Vietnamese prisoner that Annan handed over to Haihan.
After Zheng Zuo listened to Tao Donglai's explanation, a stone hanging in his heart fell to the ground.He was really worried that Haihan would ask Annan to provide him with a large number of civilian population. This was no longer an easy task.But if you just wanted to get Siamese prisoners of war, it would be a little easier, not to mention that Yan Chujie made the conditions very clear, and would not let An Nanbai be busy, and would accept these prisoners for a fee.Even if Annan doesn't want to ask for money directly, he can refer to the previous operation and exchange these prisoners of war for weapons and equipment produced by Haihan.
Zheng Zuo thought for a while before answering: "However, there are not too many prisoners of war at present, maybe more than 3000 and less than [-]. I wonder what requirements your country has for the number?"
"Naturally, the more the better." Tao Donglai heard that there were thousands of people, and immediately wanted to finalize the matter: "After the young prince returns to China, you might as well arrange the handover and transportation of the prisoners of war as soon as possible. As for the cost, you can compare it with our two countries in the early years." Handle the transfer of prisoners of war according to the standard."
Zheng Zuo said: "Then if your country needs a large number of prisoners of war, if it is realized, there should be some extra rewards, right?"
Tao Donglai said: "That's easy to say, how about this, for every thousand people, our country will give an extra fifty rifles?"
Although fifty rifles is not a big number, it is better than none at all. Zheng Zuo was just asking casually, and didn't really have the will to win it. I didn't expect Tao Donglai to be so easy-going, so he agreed immediately, which is also regarded as A windfall came.
Xu Yuzhuo next to him was moved by this, and couldn't help asking: "If Fujian can provide immigrants, can it also be used to exchange for weapons and equipment?"
"Of course you can, but it's best not to plunder civilians just because of this condition!" Tao Donglai reminded.This kind of thing sounds incredible, but for the local warlords who hold military power, it must be done for profit.
(End of this chapter)
Tao Donglai could understand Annan's and Fujian's desire for steam engines. After all, after seeing Haihan's extensive use of steam engines in social production and military fields in recent years, it is difficult for anyone to remain indifferent.Moreover, these two allies are wealthy and willing to spend money. If they can get steam engine manufacturing technology by spending money, then they will definitely not hesitate to invest a lot of money in this field.
But even if they made such a request with full sincerity, they still couldn't make Hai Han let go.After all, this is not a bargain in the field of trade. Earning more this year and earning less next year will not kill anyone. The application of steam engines is related to the development prospects and international status of Haihan Kingdom in the next few decades or even longer. The later the steam engine technology is, the greater Haihan's first-mover advantage on the road to industrialization will be. Compared with this long-term national interest, the immediate small profits can only be ignored.
This is probably also the case that Annan and Fujian, as allies, rarely get special treatment from Haihan, and they will inevitably feel a little frustrated.But they didn’t get nothing, maybe it was taken as compensation for refusing this request. Schneider said that he would lower the tariffs on the agricultural products exported to Haihan from the two places, and this is the most important area for Haihan to purchase materials from the two places every year. , which is equivalent to giving them benefits in disguise.
As for the plan to participate in the development of Liaodong, the two companies actually do not have a strong desire.Annan was powerless because of the distance, while Fujian had to worry about the feelings of the Ming court. After all, Xu Xinsu still held the post of Fujian General Soldier. If he extended his hand to Liaodong and followed Haihan to make troubles, he would not be able to hide it from the higher authorities. .Although Xu Xinsu cared less and less about the imperial court's will now, such things as stretching his hand across the border are still easy to cause people to be jealous. Even in Guangdong and Zhejiang, which are close at hand, Xu Xinsu has extremely restrained not to compete for the local Sea trade share.
If you want to talk about sending people to Liaodong, Xu Xinsu is more willing to send his elites to the battlefield there to temper at this stage, rather than sending businessmen there to seize the market.What the Xu family in Fujian is short of now is not money, but the armed forces that can make the Xu family stand on their own.This is not Xu Xinsu's plan to split the land from the Ming Dynasty and become king on his own, but if he wants to not be controlled by others, or to allow the Ming court to grant him and his family more privileges, then a strong armed force is an indispensable condition.It's like no one can say "no" calmly when facing Haihan's powerful guns. After dealing with Haihan for so many years, Xu Xinsu has long understood that he must have strength before he can have confidence reason.
Of course Xu Yuzhuo was also very disappointed in not being able to get permission from Haihan to purchase the steam engine, but this was basically within his expectations.This is actually not the first time that the Fujian side has asked Haihan to buy a steam engine, but basically every time the answer is the same, and Haihan has never shown signs of letting go of this aspect.This time, Zheng Zuo and Zheng Zuo made a request to Hai Han. In fact, it was more or less just a chance for a dead horse to be a living horse doctor. It doesn't hurt too much either.
Except for the steam engine, other trade requests put forward by Fujian and Annan were basically granted, which also slightly eased the unhappiness in the hearts of the two envoys.They don't know Haihan's long-term plan. Since they can get some other concessions from Haihan right now, making their camp profitable, then there is no need to entangle Haihan about the steam engine. .
Of course, they also understand that although Haihan has made some concessions in the field of trade, his dominant position will not change in any way.In fact, Haihan has always been extremely strong in international trade, as aggressive as the military, and only a few senior partners have the qualifications to sit down and bargain with Haihan's senior officials.
After the two families finished their conditions, it was Haihan's turn to make his own request.In fact, there is nothing new about Haihan's request this year. It is still two things: [-]. Expand the distribution channels of Haihan's products; [-]. Continue to expand the scale of recruiting immigrants.The former one is mainly aimed at Fujian, while the latter one is aimed at Annan.
The distribution channel that Haihan hopes is not limited to Fujian Province, but also hopes that Xu can use his own business organization to spread to Jiangxi, comfort, Hunan, Hubei and other provinces in the inland areas, and sell Haihan products to Daming and even more. many places.This is not only a matter of pursuing sales, but also to further increase Haihan's influence in Daming through this method.
The products Schneider focuses on are not the most profitable daily necessities, but stationery and printed matter.The traditional flagship product, glass stationery, and various books published in recent years are products that Haihan hopes to sell in large quantities in Daming at this stage. The cultural market of Ming Dynasty.
"If you don't make money...then what's the point of doing this business?" Xu Yuzhuo was a military commander after all, and he didn't have a clear understanding of Haihan's purpose in managing these cultural items, so he immediately raised a question.
The reason why Haihan intends to lose money and make money in this field is actually very simple. He wants to increase his reputation in the circle of literati in the Ming Dynasty, and then exert a subtle influence on the ruling class. Mingwen people served Haihan by emigrating to improve the average cultural level of the people.
Can literati really be attracted to work in this way?The answer is in the affirmative. Haihan has recruited quite a few immigrants from Ming Dynasty over the years, and anyone who can read and write will be asked the main reason for joining Haihan.In order to survive and make a living, or to think of the wealthy Haihan country to get rich are common reasons, but there are also people who have a good impression of this country because of the cultural items produced by Haihan.
Haihan has always attached great importance to propaganda methods, using cultural supplies as a bridge to import ideology and values to Ming Dynasty, and it is less likely to be resisted by Ming literati.And the exemplary role that these Ming literati who use Haihan cultural items can play in society is exactly one of the propaganda effects that Haihan wants to pursue.
However, Schneider will not tell Xu Yuzhuo all these calculations. This kind of thing can be done, but if it is clearly stated, Fujian may not be willing to spend resources to help Haihan promote these less profitable businesses in the future.
So Schneider changed another way of saying that is easier to accept: "We know that scholars in your country are often unable to buy books and the four treasures of the study because of their poor families, so we are happy to reduce the prices of these cultural items so that more Ming Dynasty Scholars can afford it and use it. Of course, we also hope that such kindness will be rewarded in the future. In the future, these literati will become famous and become officials, and they can also remember the favor of Haihan Kingdom during their hard study. "
Xu Yuzhuo couldn't tell whether Schneider's words were sincere or a commercial excuse, but it still sounded reasonable. After all, the benefits of this measure to the scholars of Daming were indeed obvious, so he clasped his fists and said, "Then Xu will take the place of Daming first." The scholars have thanked your country for your kind deeds!"
Tao Donglai was also secretly amused when he heard Schneider's high-sounding statement, but his expression was still very serious, and he said for Schneider: "Our country and Ming Dynasty are complementary. As long as Da Ming is peaceful and prosperous, our country can also have more Business."
Zheng Zuo next to him didn't have much special feeling about this. Haihan has a lot of businesses in Annan, and the cultural industry is one of them. He not only sells cultural goods, but has even opened a school in Annan's colony to enroll school-age children in Annan. Students with excellent grades still have the opportunity to study abroad in Sanya.As for whether doing so will have a negative impact on Annan in the long run, Zheng Bing, who is in power, has not considered that much. In his opinion, this is not a bad thing for Annan. After all, it is beneficial for more citizens to receive education.And Zheng Zuo was also affected by this, and he was not vigilant about this kind of cultural infiltration.
What Zheng Zuo was concerned about was Haihan's second request, which was to expand the scale of immigration.In the early years, when the population was exchanged for weapons, Annan just had to deal with a large number of war refugees and prisoners of war, so he provided Haihan with a large number of immigrants, and he was happy and relaxed.However, in recent years, Annan's domestic political situation has stabilized, and there will be some small-scale armed conflicts between Annan and Siam in the west from time to time, and the demand for military sources is also increasing year by year.
Nowadays, voluntary membership transfer is officially allowed, but Annan will no longer take the initiative to provide Haihan with a large number of immigrants. Haihan wants to expand the scale of immigration. What kind of expansion method should this be?
Tao Donglai gave the answer that Zheng Zuo was concerned about: "Prisoners of war, all prisoners of war on the western front of your country, as long as they are healthy and able to work, we can receive them for a fee."
There have been two waves of population explosion in Haihan's overseas immigration. The first wave mainly came from before and after the Annan Civil War, and the second wave came after the opening of the Daming Northern Airline.These two waves of immigration brought tens of thousands of people to Haihan, the most important of which were war refugees and prisoners of war.However, due to the stabilization of the situation in the north in the past two years, the number of immigrants from Shandong and Liaodong has also shown a downward trend.Although Haihan occupies Jinzhou, the local Han people have long been emptied out. Although the soldiers and civilians of Dongjiang Town in Phi Island have been absorbed, these people will still retain the nationality of Ming Dynasty in the near future-this is also one of the conditions for the establishment of diplomatic relations between Ming Dynasty and Haihan .Moreover, the population of Dongjiang Town will not be transported to the south for the time being, so it still cannot make up for the gap in the labor force needed for the development of industry in Hainan Island.
The battle in Manila captured quite a few Spaniards, but Haihan still hoped that he could extract a generous ransom fee from them, and considering the safety of management, even if he was sure that there was no money for the prisoner who was sentenced to hard labor, They will not all be escorted to Hainan Island to serve their sentences, but will be scattered to various overseas colonies as labor force.
Only relying on Haihan's own foreign wars, the prisoners of war obtained are not enough to meet Haihan's development needs, so now the executive committee has turned its idea to the allies.Unless Xu Xinsu rebelled, there would be no big battles to fight. He usually sent a small group of troops to follow Haihan to gain experience, and he couldn't count on Fujian to provide a large number of prisoners of war.On the contrary, Annan has not been able to deal with Siam in the past two years. The war between the two countries has been regarded by the Executive Committee as a possible source of population.
According to what Haihan knew, Annan's treatment of prisoners of war was either to execute them directly, or to squeeze them to death as hard labor. In short, he would not support idlers.And if Annan is allowed to transfer these prisoners of war in a paid way, the Executive Committee believes that this is an easy goal to achieve. After all, it has done similar operations with Annan in the early years.The now well-known admiral Wu Sen was originally a South Vietnamese prisoner that Annan handed over to Haihan.
After Zheng Zuo listened to Tao Donglai's explanation, a stone hanging in his heart fell to the ground.He was really worried that Haihan would ask Annan to provide him with a large number of civilian population. This was no longer an easy task.But if you just wanted to get Siamese prisoners of war, it would be a little easier, not to mention that Yan Chujie made the conditions very clear, and would not let An Nanbai be busy, and would accept these prisoners for a fee.Even if Annan doesn't want to ask for money directly, he can refer to the previous operation and exchange these prisoners of war for weapons and equipment produced by Haihan.
Zheng Zuo thought for a while before answering: "However, there are not too many prisoners of war at present, maybe more than 3000 and less than [-]. I wonder what requirements your country has for the number?"
"Naturally, the more the better." Tao Donglai heard that there were thousands of people, and immediately wanted to finalize the matter: "After the young prince returns to China, you might as well arrange the handover and transportation of the prisoners of war as soon as possible. As for the cost, you can compare it with our two countries in the early years." Handle the transfer of prisoners of war according to the standard."
Zheng Zuo said: "Then if your country needs a large number of prisoners of war, if it is realized, there should be some extra rewards, right?"
Tao Donglai said: "That's easy to say, how about this, for every thousand people, our country will give an extra fifty rifles?"
Although fifty rifles is not a big number, it is better than none at all. Zheng Zuo was just asking casually, and didn't really have the will to win it. I didn't expect Tao Donglai to be so easy-going, so he agreed immediately, which is also regarded as A windfall came.
Xu Yuzhuo next to him was moved by this, and couldn't help asking: "If Fujian can provide immigrants, can it also be used to exchange for weapons and equipment?"
"Of course you can, but it's best not to plunder civilians just because of this condition!" Tao Donglai reminded.This kind of thing sounds incredible, but for the local warlords who hold military power, it must be done for profit.
(End of this chapter)