Chapter 3139
Chapter 3139
Chapter 3139
If counting from 1631, when the Haihan Army fought against the local Dutch colonial armed forces on the South China Sea's Annabuna Island, the two sides have dealt with each other for as long as 26 years.
Although the two sides later established formal diplomatic relations, they have remained at the level of trade cooperation.The Netherlands did not conclude a higher-level cooperation treaty with Haihan like Portugal did.
There are many practical reasons for this, but both sides do not deny that this is probably because the two countries' initial contact methods were not friendly, and the resulting grievances have not been properly resolved over the years.
The Dutch are brooding over the loss of Ambuna Island, unwilling to be controlled by Haihan in East Asia, and are even more dissatisfied with Haihan's alliance with rival Portugal.
Haihan, on the other hand, has been concentrating on conquering the northern mainland all year round, and is not keen on establishing close ties with the Western world. It is enough to have a reliable partner like Portugal.The Dutch didn't take the initiative to improve their relationship, so Haihan naturally wouldn't put a hot face on a cold ass.
Of course, Haihan does not reject maintaining a good relationship with the Netherlands, and even deliberately retains the Netherlands' trade routes in East Asia.If this were not the case, the East India Company's commercial institutions in Taiwan's Dayuan Port and Japan's Nagasaki Port may not be able to operate safely until now.
Both Ning Qi and Schneider had dealt with Su Keyi for a long time, but it was the first time they heard him make such a statement.
Schneider immediately asked: "Mr. Su, is this your personal idea, or the East India Company's idea?"
The implication is that if raising the level of cooperation is only Su Keyi's personal wish, not the official will, then there is no need to waste time discussing it in depth.Although Su Keyi is capable, he is only an envoy after all, and it is not up to him, a Chinese official, to decide on major events of the East India Company.
Su Keyi replied calmly: "Master Shi, don't worry, I didn't make this up, it was the intention of the East India Company's board of directors."
Schneider was still a little bit unconvinced: "Since it is the intention of the board of directors of the East India Company, it stands to reason that there should be an official diplomatic letter handed over to us, right?"
Su Keyi explained: "The board's idea is to discuss a general framework with your country first. After confirming the intention, it will arrange for board members to visit your country in person to discuss the details and sign a formal agreement."
"More than that, the Dutch parliament will also send diplomatic representatives to visit your country to discuss the establishment of formal diplomatic relations between the two countries."
"This is for real!" Schneider clicked his tongue repeatedly.
Since there are arrangements for East India Company board members and members of Parliament to visit Haihan, it is unlikely to be fake.
You must know that the two sides have established diplomatic relations for so many years, among the Dutch officials who visited Haihan, the highest rank is only the governor of Batavia, but this status is still not qualified to be a member of the 17-member board of directors, let alone must be elected in the Netherlands. of MPs.
Limited by the unique national nature of the Netherlands, the Governor of Batavia actually does not represent the Netherlands, but only the Dutch East India Company.
The current national authority in the Netherlands is very different from other European countries. It is a military-diplomatic alliance formed by a number of provinces. The official name of the Netherlands is a federal republic, not a traditional monarchy.
The diplomatic relationship between Haihan and the Netherlands over the past 20 years was essentially dealing with the Dutch East India Company.But if the Dutch Parliament came forward to sign a formal diplomatic agreement with Haihan, the effectiveness and impact would obviously be very different.
However, it is not unconditional for the Netherlands to take the initiative to improve diplomatic relations. The joint dispatch of troops to attack the Spaniards proposed by Su Keyi just now should also be considered as one of the conditions.
Of course, Ning Qi also thought of this, and took over the conversation: "Is it one of the prerequisites for establishing formal diplomatic relations to establish a military cooperation relationship with your country and attack the Spaniards in the area you pointed out?"
Su Keyi neither denies nor admits: "In the order I received, there is no such clear instruction, but I think that if we can reach such an intention, it will be of great help to carry out follow-up diplomatic activities."
Ning Qi turned to look at Schneider. The two had worked together for many years and had a perfect understanding. Although they didn't talk, they were exchanging opinions through their eyes and expressions.
Su Keyi didn't urge him either. From the reactions of the two high-ranking Haihan officials just now, it can be seen that they attached great importance to the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries, even far surpassing the joint dispatch of troops he proposed.
As for Yuan Qiuye, another high-ranking Haihan official, he is obviously not as sensitive to foreign affairs as these two.But considering his field of expertise is agriculture, it's no surprise that he's cautious on such a topic.
This matter is extremely confidential, and Su Keyi didn't even tell his own son. If it wasn't for the poor communication before, it would be impossible to talk about it, and Su Keyi didn't want to bring up this issue so early.
However, judging from the reactions of the two, the effect of this attempt seems to be pretty good.He also firmly believes that if he can facilitate this matter, it will be of great benefit to both countries.
Only at this time did Ning Qi continue to ask: "Mr. Su, when will the visit you mentioned just now be scheduled?"
Su Keyi said: "If everything goes well, it is expected to be realized within this year, and it should not exceed next year at the latest. But I want to emphasize again, before that, we need to reach an agreement on the direction of cooperation after the establishment of diplomatic relations. The big shots above don't want I came all the way here, but in the end it was a waste of time, I think the two of you should understand."
Should formal diplomatic relations be established with the Netherlands, the answer is of course yes, which will certainly help Haihan establish better connections with the Western world.Especially when Portugal has become more and more dishonest in recent years, creating a competitor with comparable strength is also a good means of check and balance.
However, the cooperation plan proposed by Su Keyi is a bit abrupt. Not to mention that conservatives like Ning Qi, even the military that is bent on promoting external expansion, may not agree to use the barren land around the Banda Sea as a development for a period of time in the future. direction.
Ning Qi could understand the urgency of the Dutch to drive away the Spaniards and retake the Spice Islands, but Haihan's march into the area didn't make much sense.
Even if the sea area is successfully occupied, a lot of resources will need to be invested in the follow-up to build the colony.
If this is really the precondition for the establishment of diplomatic relations between the Dutch, then it may be more cost-effective for Haihan to maintain the status quo.
However, Ning Qi would definitely not be in a hurry to reject this matter. Although there are some differences with the other party at the moment, since the other party took the initiative to discuss this matter, there must be room for bargaining.This trip to Hangzhou will take at least two or three months, and there is plenty of time to deal with Su Keyi slowly.
(End of this chapter)
If counting from 1631, when the Haihan Army fought against the local Dutch colonial armed forces on the South China Sea's Annabuna Island, the two sides have dealt with each other for as long as 26 years.
Although the two sides later established formal diplomatic relations, they have remained at the level of trade cooperation.The Netherlands did not conclude a higher-level cooperation treaty with Haihan like Portugal did.
There are many practical reasons for this, but both sides do not deny that this is probably because the two countries' initial contact methods were not friendly, and the resulting grievances have not been properly resolved over the years.
The Dutch are brooding over the loss of Ambuna Island, unwilling to be controlled by Haihan in East Asia, and are even more dissatisfied with Haihan's alliance with rival Portugal.
Haihan, on the other hand, has been concentrating on conquering the northern mainland all year round, and is not keen on establishing close ties with the Western world. It is enough to have a reliable partner like Portugal.The Dutch didn't take the initiative to improve their relationship, so Haihan naturally wouldn't put a hot face on a cold ass.
Of course, Haihan does not reject maintaining a good relationship with the Netherlands, and even deliberately retains the Netherlands' trade routes in East Asia.If this were not the case, the East India Company's commercial institutions in Taiwan's Dayuan Port and Japan's Nagasaki Port may not be able to operate safely until now.
Both Ning Qi and Schneider had dealt with Su Keyi for a long time, but it was the first time they heard him make such a statement.
Schneider immediately asked: "Mr. Su, is this your personal idea, or the East India Company's idea?"
The implication is that if raising the level of cooperation is only Su Keyi's personal wish, not the official will, then there is no need to waste time discussing it in depth.Although Su Keyi is capable, he is only an envoy after all, and it is not up to him, a Chinese official, to decide on major events of the East India Company.
Su Keyi replied calmly: "Master Shi, don't worry, I didn't make this up, it was the intention of the East India Company's board of directors."
Schneider was still a little bit unconvinced: "Since it is the intention of the board of directors of the East India Company, it stands to reason that there should be an official diplomatic letter handed over to us, right?"
Su Keyi explained: "The board's idea is to discuss a general framework with your country first. After confirming the intention, it will arrange for board members to visit your country in person to discuss the details and sign a formal agreement."
"More than that, the Dutch parliament will also send diplomatic representatives to visit your country to discuss the establishment of formal diplomatic relations between the two countries."
"This is for real!" Schneider clicked his tongue repeatedly.
Since there are arrangements for East India Company board members and members of Parliament to visit Haihan, it is unlikely to be fake.
You must know that the two sides have established diplomatic relations for so many years, among the Dutch officials who visited Haihan, the highest rank is only the governor of Batavia, but this status is still not qualified to be a member of the 17-member board of directors, let alone must be elected in the Netherlands. of MPs.
Limited by the unique national nature of the Netherlands, the Governor of Batavia actually does not represent the Netherlands, but only the Dutch East India Company.
The current national authority in the Netherlands is very different from other European countries. It is a military-diplomatic alliance formed by a number of provinces. The official name of the Netherlands is a federal republic, not a traditional monarchy.
The diplomatic relationship between Haihan and the Netherlands over the past 20 years was essentially dealing with the Dutch East India Company.But if the Dutch Parliament came forward to sign a formal diplomatic agreement with Haihan, the effectiveness and impact would obviously be very different.
However, it is not unconditional for the Netherlands to take the initiative to improve diplomatic relations. The joint dispatch of troops to attack the Spaniards proposed by Su Keyi just now should also be considered as one of the conditions.
Of course, Ning Qi also thought of this, and took over the conversation: "Is it one of the prerequisites for establishing formal diplomatic relations to establish a military cooperation relationship with your country and attack the Spaniards in the area you pointed out?"
Su Keyi neither denies nor admits: "In the order I received, there is no such clear instruction, but I think that if we can reach such an intention, it will be of great help to carry out follow-up diplomatic activities."
Ning Qi turned to look at Schneider. The two had worked together for many years and had a perfect understanding. Although they didn't talk, they were exchanging opinions through their eyes and expressions.
Su Keyi didn't urge him either. From the reactions of the two high-ranking Haihan officials just now, it can be seen that they attached great importance to the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries, even far surpassing the joint dispatch of troops he proposed.
As for Yuan Qiuye, another high-ranking Haihan official, he is obviously not as sensitive to foreign affairs as these two.But considering his field of expertise is agriculture, it's no surprise that he's cautious on such a topic.
This matter is extremely confidential, and Su Keyi didn't even tell his own son. If it wasn't for the poor communication before, it would be impossible to talk about it, and Su Keyi didn't want to bring up this issue so early.
However, judging from the reactions of the two, the effect of this attempt seems to be pretty good.He also firmly believes that if he can facilitate this matter, it will be of great benefit to both countries.
Only at this time did Ning Qi continue to ask: "Mr. Su, when will the visit you mentioned just now be scheduled?"
Su Keyi said: "If everything goes well, it is expected to be realized within this year, and it should not exceed next year at the latest. But I want to emphasize again, before that, we need to reach an agreement on the direction of cooperation after the establishment of diplomatic relations. The big shots above don't want I came all the way here, but in the end it was a waste of time, I think the two of you should understand."
Should formal diplomatic relations be established with the Netherlands, the answer is of course yes, which will certainly help Haihan establish better connections with the Western world.Especially when Portugal has become more and more dishonest in recent years, creating a competitor with comparable strength is also a good means of check and balance.
However, the cooperation plan proposed by Su Keyi is a bit abrupt. Not to mention that conservatives like Ning Qi, even the military that is bent on promoting external expansion, may not agree to use the barren land around the Banda Sea as a development for a period of time in the future. direction.
Ning Qi could understand the urgency of the Dutch to drive away the Spaniards and retake the Spice Islands, but Haihan's march into the area didn't make much sense.
Even if the sea area is successfully occupied, a lot of resources will need to be invested in the follow-up to build the colony.
If this is really the precondition for the establishment of diplomatic relations between the Dutch, then it may be more cost-effective for Haihan to maintain the status quo.
However, Ning Qi would definitely not be in a hurry to reject this matter. Although there are some differences with the other party at the moment, since the other party took the initiative to discuss this matter, there must be room for bargaining.This trip to Hangzhou will take at least two or three months, and there is plenty of time to deal with Su Keyi slowly.
(End of this chapter)