Chapter 931
Chapter 931
Chapter 931
The statement given by Haihan's side was very frank, and it was clearly stated that the southward military exercise passed through Batavia Port.But the East India Company will naturally not easily believe such a statement-you have all the cannons at my door, and you still tell me that you are passing by?It is sincere enough to travel thousands of miles here to "pass by".
Yan Chujie refused to admit Hai Han's "sinister intentions", and Fan Dimen didn't have the confidence to press on, so he could only change the subject: "Then, General Yan, please explain the purpose of arranging this meeting!"
"Our purpose is very simple. We hope that the two sides can strengthen communication, let go of some unhappiness in the past, and open up a new stage of mutually beneficial cooperation." Yan Chujie said seriously: "The Netherlands and our Haihan are good at managing maritime trade. Competitive relations and even conflicts occur, but we always believe that there is a lot of room for cooperation, and we can completely achieve peaceful coexistence and win-win cooperation.”
After listening to Su Keyi's translation, Fan Dimen frowned. He didn't quite understand why Haihan made such a statement, and he actually proposed a truce and cooperation. This is not like Haihan's style.When Haihan had the upper hand on FJ Ambuna Island several times before, he always faced the East India Company with a domineering attitude.In November last year, the Haihan Fourth Fleet blocked the gate of Dayuan Port, forcing Dayuan Chief Hans to sign a peace agreement, which was a genuine alliance under the city.Hans swallowed his anger and signed the agreement, which saved the three-acre land in Dayuangang from being pushed by Hai Hanping.It is precisely because of this that when Fan Dimen asked for Su Keyi's opinion, he would be particularly angry when he heard the words "Alliance under the city".
"There must be a conspiracy!" Fan Dimen was not thinking about how to discuss the cooperation they said with the Haihan people, but had deep doubts about the purpose of the Haihan people's move.Judging from what the Haihan people have done in the past, it makes no sense for them to take the initiative to show favor to the East India Company at this moment—unless they have some greater and more important interests than defeating the East India Company, they will let them weigh Then I chose the path of peace.
"Then I'd like to hear, do you have any constructive suggestions?" Since the Haihan people didn't come directly to cause trouble, Fan Dimen was not in such a hurry, and planned to deal with Yan Chujie calmly.
Yan Chujie said: "As far as I know, except for the colonization point of Dayuan Port on Taiwan Island, most of your company's other control areas are around the Java Sea. Your cargo ships can only go north to Dayuan when the monsoon direction is suitable. If you want to trade in places like Yuan, Ryukyu, and Japan, you have to wait for the right season when you return. It’s not an exaggeration to say that being able to make two round trips a year is the limit, right?”
The voyage from Batavia to Dayuan Port is as long as [-] nautical miles, and there is still a distance of thousands of nautical miles from Dayuan Port to Dongying Hirado. To complete such a long trade route, for the sailing and navigation of this era Both are great tests.Due to the performance limitations of Dutch sailing ships, the monsoon can only be used to complete the voyage in suitable seasons, so the efficiency of transporting goods is extremely limited.Of course, this is also one of the reasons why the goods in the Far East can be sold at high prices after they are shipped back to Europe. After all, things are rare and expensive. In this era of limited shipping capacity, there is no way to solve the imbalance between supply and demand. The price can only be left to the market. to decide.
Of course, the East India Company also tried to increase the volume of cargo to obtain more profits, but all they could do was to increase the number of ships. As for increasing the frequency of cargo ships across seasons, they could not do it with their capabilities.Although what Yan Chujie said was a bit harsh, it is indeed the current actual situation, and in most of the years after the opening of the Northeast Asia route, two round-trip freight arrangements have not been completed.
However, as the governor of the East India Company, Van Diemen would not easily lose his momentum in front of his opponents. He asked noncommittally, "I have no comment regarding the company's freight arrangements. What exactly is General Yan trying to say?"
Yan Chujie said: "What I want to say is that we have a way to increase the quantity of goods transported to Batavia from the above-mentioned places by two to three times, or even more. Of course, this requires your cooperation."
After hearing this, Fan Diemen couldn't hide his surprise: "I would like to ask General Yan how to do it?"
Yan Chujie said: "It's very simple, just hand over the freight to the north of Batavia to Haihan. You just need to place an order with us, and we will complete everything from procurement to transportation. Our sailboats are not affected by monsoons. Restrictions, you can travel to and from this route in any season, and there are enough supply points along the way to stop, in this regard, I think we have many important conditions that your side lacks."
After Fan Dimen heard this, he couldn't help but gasped. Yan Chujie's proposal was not for business cooperation, but he clearly wanted to completely wipe out the East India Company's influence in Northeast Asia.If all the shipping tasks were entrusted to Haihan, the Dayuan Harbor in Taiwan and Dongying Hirado Trading Station, which took the East India Company many years to operate, would completely lose their meaning of existence.Over the years, the East India Company has fought with Western competitors on the seas of the Far East, isn't it just to fight for the control of sea routes?This Haihan man was straightforward enough, he wanted to knock out the East India Company with just a few words, and he was able to call it a cooperation in a grandiose manner. Fan Dimen was amazed at how thick-skinned and dark-hearted he was.
Of course, what Yan Chujie said is indeed an objective reality. The congenital flaws in the design of the sailing ropes of the Dutch sailing ship doomed their sailing performance to be inferior to that of the Haihan sailing ship. In the past, the Netherlands had the supply port of the Ambuna Islands in the South China Sea. It can be docked. After losing here, the Dutch sailing ship was unable to obtain supplies for a full week on the route between Batavia and Dayuan Port. The cargo ship had to use more space to accommodate a boat. The supply required for a certain period of time, and the value of the lost cargo volume due to this is also a number that cannot be ignored.In contrast, Haihan, which has multiple supply ports in the South China Sea, does have its unique advantages on this route.
"With all due respect, the cooperation proposal proposed by General Yan is too insincere." Van Diemen retorted as calmly as possible: "If you want to cooperate with us in shipping, you should ask us Open up supply ports such as Amberna Island instead of trying to outright replace our sea transport qualifications in this area. The East India Company's ships are not many, but not so few that we need to ask outsiders for help!"
Yan Chujie said calmly: "Mr. Governor, the method I propose is the best way to resolve the dispute between us. You can save a lot of transportation capacity and go to the sea transportation to the west of Sumatra, so that you can ensure enough The transportation capacity will be used to digest the various goods that will be multiplied to Batavia in the future. Is it reasonable for us to be responsible for the sea transportation in an area and cooperate with each other?"
After Fan Dimen heard this, he just wanted to swear. The ambition of the Haihan people to monopolize the shipping in the Far East has been clearly revealed, but Yan Chujie can still speak so confidently, as if such an arrangement is for the East India Company.
But Fan Dimen didn't dare to confront Yan Chujie hard, he was still somewhat worried that the Haihan people would really attack if they didn't agree with each other, and Batavia City, whose old wounds hadn't healed, might not be able to stop these raging guys.Van Diemen thought for a while, and then put forward a more euphemistic statement: "General Yan, the East India Company has formed trading partnerships with many countries in the Far East. Haihan wants to exclude us from the game. Solicited the ideas of these countries? Can you make sure that they will want to cooperate with you?"
"I don't think this is a big problem." Yan Chujie retorted without giving an inch: "When it comes to doing business with Ming Dynasty and surrounding countries, we Han people have thousands of years of experience than you. Maritime trade in this region existed for a long time before the Far East. If I remember correctly, the East India Company has only been established for 30 years. I don’t think your company’s trade relations are irreplaceable. In What you can do in the Far East, Haihan can do, and will do better than you. But what we can do, you may not be able to do."
"General Yan, I hope you and your companions don't think too highly of your abilities. We Dutch have traveled all over the world. There is nothing we haven't seen, and there is nothing we dare not try. We respect Haihan, but we are not afraid of you!" Fan Dimen clenched his fists under the table slowly, staring straight at Yan Chujie, unwilling to back down any further.
Yan Chujie smiled and said: "With all due respect, you may not understand the current situation. Don't you realize that in recent years, more and more countries in the Far East have joined our Haihan camp? Do you think it is Haihan who is compressing your living space, but in fact it is a choice made by many countries, but Haihan is the front implementer. This time we have the prince of Annan in our fleet, If you want to hear from the generals of Zhancheng and the wealthy merchants of Ming Dynasty, I can arrange a meeting for you right away."
Seeing that Yan Chujie looked confident, Fan Dimen didn't seem to be boasting.He also knew how influential Haihan was in the countries of Daming, Annan, and Champa. If Haihan offered an invitation, it would be reasonable for dignitaries from these countries to go south with his fleet.As for the position of these people, there is no need to ask at all. How could they offend the Haihan people for the sake of the East India Company? As stakeholders, they must wear the same pants with the Haihan people.
However, Fan Diemen will not admit defeat, and still forcibly argued: "We also have trade relations with Ryukyu, RB and other countries. Your statement is a bit biased."
A confident smile appeared on Yan Chujie's face again: "Maybe Mr. Governor is not very clear about some recent changes in the international situation. This year we took down two strongholds established by the Spaniards in the northern part of Taiwan Island, and then outside the Daming Hangzhou Bay. We took the Zhoushan Islands. We are much closer than your side when it comes to Dongying and Ryukyu. Both of these two countries have deep ties to China, and it is much easier for us to communicate with them than yours. In terms of financial resources In terms of business strategy, I don’t think anyone dares to boast that Haikou is stronger than our Haihan. To be honest, I can’t think of any reason for businessmen from these two countries to choose your side between you and me. If You know, please do tell me."
"You..." Fan Diemen was so angry that his nails were about to dig into his palms. He actually knew very well what happened in the coastal areas of Daming in the first half of the year. He gloated at what happened to the Spaniards at that time, but Unexpectedly, when the Haihan people showed off this matter, they couldn't even find the slightest bit of happiness.
How close the Zhoushan Islands and the Spanish strongholds in Taipei are to Ryukyu and Japan are clearly marked on the charts of the East India Company, and Van Diemen has studied the situation in this area more than once.He knew very well that Yan Chujie was not bragging about this matter. After Haihan occupied these two areas, he did have a superior geographical advantage over the East India Company.With Haihan's financial resources and business ability, it is not impossible to replace the trade status and role of the East India Company in Northeast Asia.
But what makes Van Diemen feel sad is that even though he is well aware of the tricks of the Haihan people, he has no way to fight back, and even the verbal counterattack seems very weak.Seeing the proud expression on Yan Chujie's face, Fan Dimen really wanted to throw the table and leave, but he also knew that it was easy for him to turn his back on him, but it was very difficult to stop Hai Han's ambition. What will happen next is really unpredictable.If the Haihan people got angry and really launched an offensive against Batavia City, then he, the governor, would be in big trouble.
"General Yan, since you took the initiative to propose this meeting, I believe that you are indeed sincere in cooperating with us, but the plan you proposed is too outrageous, please forgive me for not being able to accept it. I think that if you If you really want to reach an agreement, you should come up with a more feasible plan." Fan Dimen paused, and said with an emphasis: "The basis of cooperation is that both parties can gain benefits. If all the benefits are taken by you If we go, then the basis for this cooperation will not be established, and I hope General Yan can realize this."
Fan Dimen's reaction was basically within Yan Chujie's expectations.After he came to Batavia, he would propose talks to the East India Company. Of course, it was not a temporary idea, but a project that had been planned before going south.For this reason, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Shipping, and the Ministry of Security held several coordination meetings, gathering a group of elites to discuss strategies during negotiations with the Dutch.
In the chapter riben is a sensitive word and will be replaced automatically, so it will be replaced with Dongying from this chapter, readers please forgive me
(End of this chapter)
The statement given by Haihan's side was very frank, and it was clearly stated that the southward military exercise passed through Batavia Port.But the East India Company will naturally not easily believe such a statement-you have all the cannons at my door, and you still tell me that you are passing by?It is sincere enough to travel thousands of miles here to "pass by".
Yan Chujie refused to admit Hai Han's "sinister intentions", and Fan Dimen didn't have the confidence to press on, so he could only change the subject: "Then, General Yan, please explain the purpose of arranging this meeting!"
"Our purpose is very simple. We hope that the two sides can strengthen communication, let go of some unhappiness in the past, and open up a new stage of mutually beneficial cooperation." Yan Chujie said seriously: "The Netherlands and our Haihan are good at managing maritime trade. Competitive relations and even conflicts occur, but we always believe that there is a lot of room for cooperation, and we can completely achieve peaceful coexistence and win-win cooperation.”
After listening to Su Keyi's translation, Fan Dimen frowned. He didn't quite understand why Haihan made such a statement, and he actually proposed a truce and cooperation. This is not like Haihan's style.When Haihan had the upper hand on FJ Ambuna Island several times before, he always faced the East India Company with a domineering attitude.In November last year, the Haihan Fourth Fleet blocked the gate of Dayuan Port, forcing Dayuan Chief Hans to sign a peace agreement, which was a genuine alliance under the city.Hans swallowed his anger and signed the agreement, which saved the three-acre land in Dayuangang from being pushed by Hai Hanping.It is precisely because of this that when Fan Dimen asked for Su Keyi's opinion, he would be particularly angry when he heard the words "Alliance under the city".
"There must be a conspiracy!" Fan Dimen was not thinking about how to discuss the cooperation they said with the Haihan people, but had deep doubts about the purpose of the Haihan people's move.Judging from what the Haihan people have done in the past, it makes no sense for them to take the initiative to show favor to the East India Company at this moment—unless they have some greater and more important interests than defeating the East India Company, they will let them weigh Then I chose the path of peace.
"Then I'd like to hear, do you have any constructive suggestions?" Since the Haihan people didn't come directly to cause trouble, Fan Dimen was not in such a hurry, and planned to deal with Yan Chujie calmly.
Yan Chujie said: "As far as I know, except for the colonization point of Dayuan Port on Taiwan Island, most of your company's other control areas are around the Java Sea. Your cargo ships can only go north to Dayuan when the monsoon direction is suitable. If you want to trade in places like Yuan, Ryukyu, and Japan, you have to wait for the right season when you return. It’s not an exaggeration to say that being able to make two round trips a year is the limit, right?”
The voyage from Batavia to Dayuan Port is as long as [-] nautical miles, and there is still a distance of thousands of nautical miles from Dayuan Port to Dongying Hirado. To complete such a long trade route, for the sailing and navigation of this era Both are great tests.Due to the performance limitations of Dutch sailing ships, the monsoon can only be used to complete the voyage in suitable seasons, so the efficiency of transporting goods is extremely limited.Of course, this is also one of the reasons why the goods in the Far East can be sold at high prices after they are shipped back to Europe. After all, things are rare and expensive. In this era of limited shipping capacity, there is no way to solve the imbalance between supply and demand. The price can only be left to the market. to decide.
Of course, the East India Company also tried to increase the volume of cargo to obtain more profits, but all they could do was to increase the number of ships. As for increasing the frequency of cargo ships across seasons, they could not do it with their capabilities.Although what Yan Chujie said was a bit harsh, it is indeed the current actual situation, and in most of the years after the opening of the Northeast Asia route, two round-trip freight arrangements have not been completed.
However, as the governor of the East India Company, Van Diemen would not easily lose his momentum in front of his opponents. He asked noncommittally, "I have no comment regarding the company's freight arrangements. What exactly is General Yan trying to say?"
Yan Chujie said: "What I want to say is that we have a way to increase the quantity of goods transported to Batavia from the above-mentioned places by two to three times, or even more. Of course, this requires your cooperation."
After hearing this, Fan Diemen couldn't hide his surprise: "I would like to ask General Yan how to do it?"
Yan Chujie said: "It's very simple, just hand over the freight to the north of Batavia to Haihan. You just need to place an order with us, and we will complete everything from procurement to transportation. Our sailboats are not affected by monsoons. Restrictions, you can travel to and from this route in any season, and there are enough supply points along the way to stop, in this regard, I think we have many important conditions that your side lacks."
After Fan Dimen heard this, he couldn't help but gasped. Yan Chujie's proposal was not for business cooperation, but he clearly wanted to completely wipe out the East India Company's influence in Northeast Asia.If all the shipping tasks were entrusted to Haihan, the Dayuan Harbor in Taiwan and Dongying Hirado Trading Station, which took the East India Company many years to operate, would completely lose their meaning of existence.Over the years, the East India Company has fought with Western competitors on the seas of the Far East, isn't it just to fight for the control of sea routes?This Haihan man was straightforward enough, he wanted to knock out the East India Company with just a few words, and he was able to call it a cooperation in a grandiose manner. Fan Dimen was amazed at how thick-skinned and dark-hearted he was.
Of course, what Yan Chujie said is indeed an objective reality. The congenital flaws in the design of the sailing ropes of the Dutch sailing ship doomed their sailing performance to be inferior to that of the Haihan sailing ship. In the past, the Netherlands had the supply port of the Ambuna Islands in the South China Sea. It can be docked. After losing here, the Dutch sailing ship was unable to obtain supplies for a full week on the route between Batavia and Dayuan Port. The cargo ship had to use more space to accommodate a boat. The supply required for a certain period of time, and the value of the lost cargo volume due to this is also a number that cannot be ignored.In contrast, Haihan, which has multiple supply ports in the South China Sea, does have its unique advantages on this route.
"With all due respect, the cooperation proposal proposed by General Yan is too insincere." Van Diemen retorted as calmly as possible: "If you want to cooperate with us in shipping, you should ask us Open up supply ports such as Amberna Island instead of trying to outright replace our sea transport qualifications in this area. The East India Company's ships are not many, but not so few that we need to ask outsiders for help!"
Yan Chujie said calmly: "Mr. Governor, the method I propose is the best way to resolve the dispute between us. You can save a lot of transportation capacity and go to the sea transportation to the west of Sumatra, so that you can ensure enough The transportation capacity will be used to digest the various goods that will be multiplied to Batavia in the future. Is it reasonable for us to be responsible for the sea transportation in an area and cooperate with each other?"
After Fan Dimen heard this, he just wanted to swear. The ambition of the Haihan people to monopolize the shipping in the Far East has been clearly revealed, but Yan Chujie can still speak so confidently, as if such an arrangement is for the East India Company.
But Fan Dimen didn't dare to confront Yan Chujie hard, he was still somewhat worried that the Haihan people would really attack if they didn't agree with each other, and Batavia City, whose old wounds hadn't healed, might not be able to stop these raging guys.Van Diemen thought for a while, and then put forward a more euphemistic statement: "General Yan, the East India Company has formed trading partnerships with many countries in the Far East. Haihan wants to exclude us from the game. Solicited the ideas of these countries? Can you make sure that they will want to cooperate with you?"
"I don't think this is a big problem." Yan Chujie retorted without giving an inch: "When it comes to doing business with Ming Dynasty and surrounding countries, we Han people have thousands of years of experience than you. Maritime trade in this region existed for a long time before the Far East. If I remember correctly, the East India Company has only been established for 30 years. I don’t think your company’s trade relations are irreplaceable. In What you can do in the Far East, Haihan can do, and will do better than you. But what we can do, you may not be able to do."
"General Yan, I hope you and your companions don't think too highly of your abilities. We Dutch have traveled all over the world. There is nothing we haven't seen, and there is nothing we dare not try. We respect Haihan, but we are not afraid of you!" Fan Dimen clenched his fists under the table slowly, staring straight at Yan Chujie, unwilling to back down any further.
Yan Chujie smiled and said: "With all due respect, you may not understand the current situation. Don't you realize that in recent years, more and more countries in the Far East have joined our Haihan camp? Do you think it is Haihan who is compressing your living space, but in fact it is a choice made by many countries, but Haihan is the front implementer. This time we have the prince of Annan in our fleet, If you want to hear from the generals of Zhancheng and the wealthy merchants of Ming Dynasty, I can arrange a meeting for you right away."
Seeing that Yan Chujie looked confident, Fan Dimen didn't seem to be boasting.He also knew how influential Haihan was in the countries of Daming, Annan, and Champa. If Haihan offered an invitation, it would be reasonable for dignitaries from these countries to go south with his fleet.As for the position of these people, there is no need to ask at all. How could they offend the Haihan people for the sake of the East India Company? As stakeholders, they must wear the same pants with the Haihan people.
However, Fan Diemen will not admit defeat, and still forcibly argued: "We also have trade relations with Ryukyu, RB and other countries. Your statement is a bit biased."
A confident smile appeared on Yan Chujie's face again: "Maybe Mr. Governor is not very clear about some recent changes in the international situation. This year we took down two strongholds established by the Spaniards in the northern part of Taiwan Island, and then outside the Daming Hangzhou Bay. We took the Zhoushan Islands. We are much closer than your side when it comes to Dongying and Ryukyu. Both of these two countries have deep ties to China, and it is much easier for us to communicate with them than yours. In terms of financial resources In terms of business strategy, I don’t think anyone dares to boast that Haikou is stronger than our Haihan. To be honest, I can’t think of any reason for businessmen from these two countries to choose your side between you and me. If You know, please do tell me."
"You..." Fan Diemen was so angry that his nails were about to dig into his palms. He actually knew very well what happened in the coastal areas of Daming in the first half of the year. He gloated at what happened to the Spaniards at that time, but Unexpectedly, when the Haihan people showed off this matter, they couldn't even find the slightest bit of happiness.
How close the Zhoushan Islands and the Spanish strongholds in Taipei are to Ryukyu and Japan are clearly marked on the charts of the East India Company, and Van Diemen has studied the situation in this area more than once.He knew very well that Yan Chujie was not bragging about this matter. After Haihan occupied these two areas, he did have a superior geographical advantage over the East India Company.With Haihan's financial resources and business ability, it is not impossible to replace the trade status and role of the East India Company in Northeast Asia.
But what makes Van Diemen feel sad is that even though he is well aware of the tricks of the Haihan people, he has no way to fight back, and even the verbal counterattack seems very weak.Seeing the proud expression on Yan Chujie's face, Fan Dimen really wanted to throw the table and leave, but he also knew that it was easy for him to turn his back on him, but it was very difficult to stop Hai Han's ambition. What will happen next is really unpredictable.If the Haihan people got angry and really launched an offensive against Batavia City, then he, the governor, would be in big trouble.
"General Yan, since you took the initiative to propose this meeting, I believe that you are indeed sincere in cooperating with us, but the plan you proposed is too outrageous, please forgive me for not being able to accept it. I think that if you If you really want to reach an agreement, you should come up with a more feasible plan." Fan Dimen paused, and said with an emphasis: "The basis of cooperation is that both parties can gain benefits. If all the benefits are taken by you If we go, then the basis for this cooperation will not be established, and I hope General Yan can realize this."
Fan Dimen's reaction was basically within Yan Chujie's expectations.After he came to Batavia, he would propose talks to the East India Company. Of course, it was not a temporary idea, but a project that had been planned before going south.For this reason, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Shipping, and the Ministry of Security held several coordination meetings, gathering a group of elites to discuss strategies during negotiations with the Dutch.
In the chapter riben is a sensitive word and will be replaced automatically, so it will be replaced with Dongying from this chapter, readers please forgive me
(End of this chapter)