Chapter 1754
Difficulties
Chapter 1754 Difficulties
Seeing that Fei Cexian remained silent, Su Keyi knew that his rhetoric hadn't really moved the other party, so he continued to persuade him: "I also know that Ming Dynasty has always only accepted tribute from other countries, and the way of equal diplomacy may not be very acceptable, but You don’t need to worry too much about such details, our country will cooperate with your country’s diplomacy. As long as you can give equal treatment in terms of trade, other conditions are easy to negotiate.”
In the 17th century, the Netherlands was known as the "sea coachman", and completing cross-border trade by sea was its best way to make money.As long as they can benefit from it, the Dutch really don't care too much about whether they need to be a little humble in diplomatic etiquette. In this regard, Su Keyi is fully confident that he can do better than Haihan.
Of course, if you think carefully about the history of exchanges between the Netherlands and Ming Dynasty, it is not difficult to find that the Netherlands also tried to use force to force Ming Dynasty to open the door to trade. .Now that the Haihan Fleet is still active on the coastline of Ming Dynasty, the East India Company wants to reach an open commercial relationship with Ming Dynasty, let alone try to solve it by force.Su Keyi pretended to be magnanimous in front of Fei Cexian, saying that he could lower his figure to cooperate with Daming, but it was actually a last resort choice.
Fei Cexian is not a novice in diplomacy, and he was not moved by this persuasion.It's not that he has any prejudice against the Dutch, it's just that in his opinion, the status of the Ming Dynasty as a court is a matter of course, and it shouldn't be offered as an exchange condition, at least he can't accept it.In Fei Cexian's view, if the Dutch really want to establish diplomatic and even further trade relations with Ming, they should first correct their attitude and send a formal mission to the capital to meet the emperor, and make their request through official channels instead of Self-righteously play some off-the-board tricks.Haihan's attitude is tough, that's because they have force as their backing, what qualifications do you Dutch have to negotiate terms with Daming?
But he also knew that Su Keyi's purpose was different from that of the Haihan people. He just wanted to keep warm with Daming, and he didn't necessarily have any bad intentions, and Daming had few powerful allies overseas. If there was a chance for the Dutch to stand If Daming is here, then he can't say too much at the moment.
After pondering for a moment, Fei Cexian replied, "I already understand the meaning of Master Su, but the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries involves too much scope, and it is not something that you and I can decide. I can do it." That is to report your country’s request according to the facts, and let the imperial court decide how to deal with it.”
Fei Cexian's remarks were very official, and Su Keyi couldn't help but feel a little anxious when he heard it. Sanya is five thousand miles away from the capital of Daming, and when he finishes asking for instructions and gets a reply from the capital, it will take him two or three months. .However, Haihan's development is rapid, and if it is delayed for a long time, it will only make its own response more and more passive.If in a few months Haihan forces Daming to declare that the sea trade business is monopolized by him, then the East India Company may not even be able to drink soup, let alone meat.
"Lord Fei, it's up to you to ask for instructions, but you might as well do some things first. Time doesn't wait for you, and you can't let the people of Haihan live too easily!" Su Keyi's tone became more explicit at the moment.
Fei Cexian said: "But there is really no immediate solution at the moment. If Mr. Su has any special means, then don't hide it. You might as well talk about it and refer to it together."
Su Keyi picked up the flagon to pour wine for Fei Cexian, and said, "With Haihan's current strength, it is difficult to find any immediate solution other than war, but the current situation of our two countries is definitely not suitable for war with him. But Again, if we can join forces in the diplomatic field, we can somewhat restrain Haihan from doing whatever he wants."
Fei Cexian asked noncommittally: "Tomorrow is Haihan's National Day, what are Master Su's plans?"
Fei Cexian has actually seen that Su Keyi still can't come up with a specific feasible plan for how the two countries should cooperate, and going around is just testing his attitude on his side, so there is no need for him to be too active.However, if Su Keyi really has any measures to deal with Haihan at the moment, he is willing to listen carefully. If it is feasible, maybe he can really help him.
Seeing that his verbal persuasion was no longer effective, Su Keyi knew that if he didn't come up with something of weight, the other party might not be tempted.But the problem is that Batavia has no plans to take radical measures for the time being. They are going to concentrate their resources to fight for the area that Spain retreated after the setback. Can step on the Spaniard again.
Although Su Keyi thinks that Haihan is the opponent that should be dealt with with all his strength, he also knows that the Batavia Council pays more attention to trade benefits and does not want to offend Haihan at this time. With the support of Davia, his idea can only stay in the conception stage, and it is impossible to put it into practice.
It's just that if you can't produce any dry goods at the moment, if you want to talk to Fei Cexian about cooperation in the future, it may be difficult for the other party to give me enough trust.After all, they are all engaged in diplomacy, and anyone can talk about it, but if you can only talk about it, it is easy to be looked down upon.
Su Keyi put down the jug and said solemnly: "Master Fei, if we continue to suspect each other, this cooperation will only be a sham. I know you want to see our sincerity first. Well, I will propose it to the Haihan people tomorrow." Let the Dutch merchant ships directly enter the Daming port for trade, and please cooperate with Mr. Fei when the time comes."
Fei Cexian responded calmly, "How do I cooperate?"
"It's very simple. The Haihan people will definitely say that this matter has not been approved by Daming. Then Mr. Fei will stand up and express that Daming is willing to accept the entry request of the Dutch merchant ship." Su Keyi stared at Fei Cexian's face, Depends on how he reacts.
Fei Cexian said hello to you, Su Keyi. You Dutch merchant ship wanted to enter the port of Daming, but you went to apply to the Haihan people. You obviously didn't pay attention to me, Daming, so you still want me to cooperate with you?
Fei Cexian said: "This matter has not been approved by the imperial court at all. Is it because I want to kill you first? Even so, I'm afraid I can't hide it from the well-informed Haihan people. They won't believe your words so easily."
"I didn't expect them to believe it." Su Keyi said: "But we can let the Haihan people understand that Daming's maritime import and export trade cannot be monopolized by them alone, and we must be given enough respect, otherwise we can start from scratch at any time."
Fei Cexian said in his heart that you are a typical literati thinking. If Haihan was so reasonable, how could he occupy so much territory of Ming Dynasty in ten years.The so-called failure of a scholar to rebel for ten years refers to Su Keyi's situation.
Fei Cexian shook his head and said, "Master Su, in fact, I quite agree with the Haihan people's point of view. They believe that if something is lost in the war, don't expect to get it back at the negotiating table. Pure diplomacy is right for you. For Haihan, it’s just scratching their heads, and they can’t touch their pain points at all. Even if we make a statement tomorrow, what will the Haihan people really take our statement seriously? If the Dutch merchant ship in Dayuan Port dares to Drive into Quanzhou port in a self-conscious manner, maybe without waiting for the Haihan people to speak, Xu Xinsu will directly take them down. I appreciate Mr. Su's determination, but I think this kind of statement is just self-deception, and it will not achieve what you expected effect."
Fei Cexian's words were merciless, and Su Keyi's expression was a little embarrassed. He thought that he was still sincerely trying to win over Fei Cexian, but the other party obviously didn't buy it.The earnest rhetoric I just said just now failed to impress the other party in the end.
But Su Keyi still refused to give up, and asked in a deep voice: "Perhaps there are indeed a lot of inadequacies in my consideration, so I would like to ask Lord Fei for any means. If it is feasible, I will be very happy to cooperate with Lord Fei."
Fei Cexian said: "To resolve the many disputes with Haihan, you still need to have enough confidence...it's difficult!"
Regarding how to curb Haihan's development momentum, Fei Cexian has thought about it thousands of times since he came to Sanya. He spent a lot of time looking up the history of Haihan's fortune and various related materials in the municipal library, hoping to find Haihan from them. counteract its weaknesses.But after deepening his understanding, he didn't find what he expected. Instead, he felt the strength of this emerging country more and more clearly.
Although Haihan is culturally in line with Daming, its unique social system and governance structure make its operating efficiency and social productivity much higher than that of Daming.In recent years, a large number of immigrants from Ming Dynasty have begun to voluntarily relocate to the areas under the Haihan rule and gradually become naturalized, which is enough to show that the people are very optimistic about the development momentum of this country.The little foreigner who grew up absorbing the nourishment of Daming, has now become a hostess, and in some respects, Daming has to rely on Haihan's help.
Fei Cexian also wanted to fight for some benefits for Daming, but the experience of the past few months made him gradually sober. The senior executives of Haihan are not businessmen who only know how to do business. They play politics no better than those bosses in the capital. People are worse than worse.Dealing with this group of people, it is difficult to take advantage of the negotiating table.
Fei Cexian didn't dislike forming a group with Su Keyi, but the other party couldn't produce any dry goods, and only wanted to let Daming open the treaty port to the Netherlands, and let Haihan stand aside by the way, but there is no such good thing in the world.Fei Cexian even wanted to persuade Su Keyi not to act recklessly. If the Haihan people took his words seriously, maybe an order would make the troops stationed at the two ports of Penghu and Kaohsiung immediately dispatched to take out the soldiers under the rule of the Dutch. Da Yuan Hong Kong.For the Haihan people, maybe they just missed a suitable excuse to wipe this unsightly stronghold off the map.
Su Keyi was about to say something, the waiter knocked on the door and came in, telling them that they could open the door leading to the viewing balcony and watch the upcoming fireworks display at Victory Harbor.After finishing speaking, he also distributed two small paper flags to them, with the red and blue colors that symbolize Haihan printed on them.
"Then let's have a look!" Fei Cexian no longer wanted to discuss the frustrating topic before, so he got up and opened the door facing the street.
The direction of this private room is exactly the direction of Victory Harbor, and under the small viewing balcony is the already crowded landscape avenue.Most of the people on the street are also holding red and blue flags, smiling and watching the various lanterns hanging on both sides of the street.Most of the shops on the street are in the name of celebrating the National Day, and they have launched a variety of promotional activities. Whether it is selling rouge, gouache or pen, ink, paper and inkstone, they all have their own unique tricks to attract crowds. Even a certain famous steamed stuffed bun shop , also played the National Day buy five get one free brand, seize the opportunity to rub this traffic.
Suddenly two roars flew into the sky from the direction of Shengli Harbor, and two fireworks, one red and one blue, flew straight into the sky, and then exploded with a bang, forming two flowers with a diameter of five or six feet in the air, illuminating Shengli Harbor night sky.
The attention of the people on the street was immediately attracted by the fireworks. Many people cheered, some stopped to watch, and some rushed towards the direction of Victory Harbor, hoping to get closer to the fireworks display point. See it more clearly.
After the two fireworks kicked off the fireworks display, fireworks were constantly rising from the direction of Victory Port, exploding various beautiful patterns in mid-air, which aroused exclamations from the public from time to time.
Fei Cexian and Su Keyi stood side by side on the balcony, and they could see the expressions of the people on the street.Although they were still in the room discussing how to deal with Haihan just now, they couldn't help feeling that Sanya is indeed a good place when they saw the scene of people enjoying themselves together.It's a pity that I am a pure outsider here, unable to enjoy the joy of this festival with these people.
"Will there be such an event every year?" Fei Cexian asked suddenly.
"It is said that it happens every year, but the scale varies." Su Keyi paused, and smiled wryly: "At this time last year, I was sitting in the viewing area of Victory Harbor."
According to Haihan's arrangement, they should have also participated in tonight's fireworks display, and went to the specially built stands near Victory Harbor to enjoy the visual feast up close.It's a pity that the activities during the day made it impossible for them to accept the arrangement of this kind of celebration, and they left early, but they didn't expect to watch the fireworks show in another location.
Haihan was ahead of this era in terms of gunpowder research, and fireworks are just an example of the civilian use of military technology. The splendor of the fireworks set off here is indeed unseen elsewhere.Seeing the beautiful arcs drawn by the fireworks after they exploded in the air, both Fei Cexian and Su Keyi felt a deep sense of powerlessness in their hearts.
(End of this chapter)
Seeing that Fei Cexian remained silent, Su Keyi knew that his rhetoric hadn't really moved the other party, so he continued to persuade him: "I also know that Ming Dynasty has always only accepted tribute from other countries, and the way of equal diplomacy may not be very acceptable, but You don’t need to worry too much about such details, our country will cooperate with your country’s diplomacy. As long as you can give equal treatment in terms of trade, other conditions are easy to negotiate.”
In the 17th century, the Netherlands was known as the "sea coachman", and completing cross-border trade by sea was its best way to make money.As long as they can benefit from it, the Dutch really don't care too much about whether they need to be a little humble in diplomatic etiquette. In this regard, Su Keyi is fully confident that he can do better than Haihan.
Of course, if you think carefully about the history of exchanges between the Netherlands and Ming Dynasty, it is not difficult to find that the Netherlands also tried to use force to force Ming Dynasty to open the door to trade. .Now that the Haihan Fleet is still active on the coastline of Ming Dynasty, the East India Company wants to reach an open commercial relationship with Ming Dynasty, let alone try to solve it by force.Su Keyi pretended to be magnanimous in front of Fei Cexian, saying that he could lower his figure to cooperate with Daming, but it was actually a last resort choice.
Fei Cexian is not a novice in diplomacy, and he was not moved by this persuasion.It's not that he has any prejudice against the Dutch, it's just that in his opinion, the status of the Ming Dynasty as a court is a matter of course, and it shouldn't be offered as an exchange condition, at least he can't accept it.In Fei Cexian's view, if the Dutch really want to establish diplomatic and even further trade relations with Ming, they should first correct their attitude and send a formal mission to the capital to meet the emperor, and make their request through official channels instead of Self-righteously play some off-the-board tricks.Haihan's attitude is tough, that's because they have force as their backing, what qualifications do you Dutch have to negotiate terms with Daming?
But he also knew that Su Keyi's purpose was different from that of the Haihan people. He just wanted to keep warm with Daming, and he didn't necessarily have any bad intentions, and Daming had few powerful allies overseas. If there was a chance for the Dutch to stand If Daming is here, then he can't say too much at the moment.
After pondering for a moment, Fei Cexian replied, "I already understand the meaning of Master Su, but the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries involves too much scope, and it is not something that you and I can decide. I can do it." That is to report your country’s request according to the facts, and let the imperial court decide how to deal with it.”
Fei Cexian's remarks were very official, and Su Keyi couldn't help but feel a little anxious when he heard it. Sanya is five thousand miles away from the capital of Daming, and when he finishes asking for instructions and gets a reply from the capital, it will take him two or three months. .However, Haihan's development is rapid, and if it is delayed for a long time, it will only make its own response more and more passive.If in a few months Haihan forces Daming to declare that the sea trade business is monopolized by him, then the East India Company may not even be able to drink soup, let alone meat.
"Lord Fei, it's up to you to ask for instructions, but you might as well do some things first. Time doesn't wait for you, and you can't let the people of Haihan live too easily!" Su Keyi's tone became more explicit at the moment.
Fei Cexian said: "But there is really no immediate solution at the moment. If Mr. Su has any special means, then don't hide it. You might as well talk about it and refer to it together."
Su Keyi picked up the flagon to pour wine for Fei Cexian, and said, "With Haihan's current strength, it is difficult to find any immediate solution other than war, but the current situation of our two countries is definitely not suitable for war with him. But Again, if we can join forces in the diplomatic field, we can somewhat restrain Haihan from doing whatever he wants."
Fei Cexian asked noncommittally: "Tomorrow is Haihan's National Day, what are Master Su's plans?"
Fei Cexian has actually seen that Su Keyi still can't come up with a specific feasible plan for how the two countries should cooperate, and going around is just testing his attitude on his side, so there is no need for him to be too active.However, if Su Keyi really has any measures to deal with Haihan at the moment, he is willing to listen carefully. If it is feasible, maybe he can really help him.
Seeing that his verbal persuasion was no longer effective, Su Keyi knew that if he didn't come up with something of weight, the other party might not be tempted.But the problem is that Batavia has no plans to take radical measures for the time being. They are going to concentrate their resources to fight for the area that Spain retreated after the setback. Can step on the Spaniard again.
Although Su Keyi thinks that Haihan is the opponent that should be dealt with with all his strength, he also knows that the Batavia Council pays more attention to trade benefits and does not want to offend Haihan at this time. With the support of Davia, his idea can only stay in the conception stage, and it is impossible to put it into practice.
It's just that if you can't produce any dry goods at the moment, if you want to talk to Fei Cexian about cooperation in the future, it may be difficult for the other party to give me enough trust.After all, they are all engaged in diplomacy, and anyone can talk about it, but if you can only talk about it, it is easy to be looked down upon.
Su Keyi put down the jug and said solemnly: "Master Fei, if we continue to suspect each other, this cooperation will only be a sham. I know you want to see our sincerity first. Well, I will propose it to the Haihan people tomorrow." Let the Dutch merchant ships directly enter the Daming port for trade, and please cooperate with Mr. Fei when the time comes."
Fei Cexian responded calmly, "How do I cooperate?"
"It's very simple. The Haihan people will definitely say that this matter has not been approved by Daming. Then Mr. Fei will stand up and express that Daming is willing to accept the entry request of the Dutch merchant ship." Su Keyi stared at Fei Cexian's face, Depends on how he reacts.
Fei Cexian said hello to you, Su Keyi. You Dutch merchant ship wanted to enter the port of Daming, but you went to apply to the Haihan people. You obviously didn't pay attention to me, Daming, so you still want me to cooperate with you?
Fei Cexian said: "This matter has not been approved by the imperial court at all. Is it because I want to kill you first? Even so, I'm afraid I can't hide it from the well-informed Haihan people. They won't believe your words so easily."
"I didn't expect them to believe it." Su Keyi said: "But we can let the Haihan people understand that Daming's maritime import and export trade cannot be monopolized by them alone, and we must be given enough respect, otherwise we can start from scratch at any time."
Fei Cexian said in his heart that you are a typical literati thinking. If Haihan was so reasonable, how could he occupy so much territory of Ming Dynasty in ten years.The so-called failure of a scholar to rebel for ten years refers to Su Keyi's situation.
Fei Cexian shook his head and said, "Master Su, in fact, I quite agree with the Haihan people's point of view. They believe that if something is lost in the war, don't expect to get it back at the negotiating table. Pure diplomacy is right for you. For Haihan, it’s just scratching their heads, and they can’t touch their pain points at all. Even if we make a statement tomorrow, what will the Haihan people really take our statement seriously? If the Dutch merchant ship in Dayuan Port dares to Drive into Quanzhou port in a self-conscious manner, maybe without waiting for the Haihan people to speak, Xu Xinsu will directly take them down. I appreciate Mr. Su's determination, but I think this kind of statement is just self-deception, and it will not achieve what you expected effect."
Fei Cexian's words were merciless, and Su Keyi's expression was a little embarrassed. He thought that he was still sincerely trying to win over Fei Cexian, but the other party obviously didn't buy it.The earnest rhetoric I just said just now failed to impress the other party in the end.
But Su Keyi still refused to give up, and asked in a deep voice: "Perhaps there are indeed a lot of inadequacies in my consideration, so I would like to ask Lord Fei for any means. If it is feasible, I will be very happy to cooperate with Lord Fei."
Fei Cexian said: "To resolve the many disputes with Haihan, you still need to have enough confidence...it's difficult!"
Regarding how to curb Haihan's development momentum, Fei Cexian has thought about it thousands of times since he came to Sanya. He spent a lot of time looking up the history of Haihan's fortune and various related materials in the municipal library, hoping to find Haihan from them. counteract its weaknesses.But after deepening his understanding, he didn't find what he expected. Instead, he felt the strength of this emerging country more and more clearly.
Although Haihan is culturally in line with Daming, its unique social system and governance structure make its operating efficiency and social productivity much higher than that of Daming.In recent years, a large number of immigrants from Ming Dynasty have begun to voluntarily relocate to the areas under the Haihan rule and gradually become naturalized, which is enough to show that the people are very optimistic about the development momentum of this country.The little foreigner who grew up absorbing the nourishment of Daming, has now become a hostess, and in some respects, Daming has to rely on Haihan's help.
Fei Cexian also wanted to fight for some benefits for Daming, but the experience of the past few months made him gradually sober. The senior executives of Haihan are not businessmen who only know how to do business. They play politics no better than those bosses in the capital. People are worse than worse.Dealing with this group of people, it is difficult to take advantage of the negotiating table.
Fei Cexian didn't dislike forming a group with Su Keyi, but the other party couldn't produce any dry goods, and only wanted to let Daming open the treaty port to the Netherlands, and let Haihan stand aside by the way, but there is no such good thing in the world.Fei Cexian even wanted to persuade Su Keyi not to act recklessly. If the Haihan people took his words seriously, maybe an order would make the troops stationed at the two ports of Penghu and Kaohsiung immediately dispatched to take out the soldiers under the rule of the Dutch. Da Yuan Hong Kong.For the Haihan people, maybe they just missed a suitable excuse to wipe this unsightly stronghold off the map.
Su Keyi was about to say something, the waiter knocked on the door and came in, telling them that they could open the door leading to the viewing balcony and watch the upcoming fireworks display at Victory Harbor.After finishing speaking, he also distributed two small paper flags to them, with the red and blue colors that symbolize Haihan printed on them.
"Then let's have a look!" Fei Cexian no longer wanted to discuss the frustrating topic before, so he got up and opened the door facing the street.
The direction of this private room is exactly the direction of Victory Harbor, and under the small viewing balcony is the already crowded landscape avenue.Most of the people on the street are also holding red and blue flags, smiling and watching the various lanterns hanging on both sides of the street.Most of the shops on the street are in the name of celebrating the National Day, and they have launched a variety of promotional activities. Whether it is selling rouge, gouache or pen, ink, paper and inkstone, they all have their own unique tricks to attract crowds. Even a certain famous steamed stuffed bun shop , also played the National Day buy five get one free brand, seize the opportunity to rub this traffic.
Suddenly two roars flew into the sky from the direction of Shengli Harbor, and two fireworks, one red and one blue, flew straight into the sky, and then exploded with a bang, forming two flowers with a diameter of five or six feet in the air, illuminating Shengli Harbor night sky.
The attention of the people on the street was immediately attracted by the fireworks. Many people cheered, some stopped to watch, and some rushed towards the direction of Victory Harbor, hoping to get closer to the fireworks display point. See it more clearly.
After the two fireworks kicked off the fireworks display, fireworks were constantly rising from the direction of Victory Port, exploding various beautiful patterns in mid-air, which aroused exclamations from the public from time to time.
Fei Cexian and Su Keyi stood side by side on the balcony, and they could see the expressions of the people on the street.Although they were still in the room discussing how to deal with Haihan just now, they couldn't help feeling that Sanya is indeed a good place when they saw the scene of people enjoying themselves together.It's a pity that I am a pure outsider here, unable to enjoy the joy of this festival with these people.
"Will there be such an event every year?" Fei Cexian asked suddenly.
"It is said that it happens every year, but the scale varies." Su Keyi paused, and smiled wryly: "At this time last year, I was sitting in the viewing area of Victory Harbor."
According to Haihan's arrangement, they should have also participated in tonight's fireworks display, and went to the specially built stands near Victory Harbor to enjoy the visual feast up close.It's a pity that the activities during the day made it impossible for them to accept the arrangement of this kind of celebration, and they left early, but they didn't expect to watch the fireworks show in another location.
Haihan was ahead of this era in terms of gunpowder research, and fireworks are just an example of the civilian use of military technology. The splendor of the fireworks set off here is indeed unseen elsewhere.Seeing the beautiful arcs drawn by the fireworks after they exploded in the air, both Fei Cexian and Su Keyi felt a deep sense of powerlessness in their hearts.
(End of this chapter)