Chapter 1752
2 Views
Chapter 1752 Two Views
As for the direction and target selection of Haihan's external expansion over the years, in fact, the outside world has always been unclear.After all, with the level of force possessed by Haihan, he can use Hainan Island as his rear base, and then send troops to expand to the mainland. I believe that whether it is Annan or Ming, it will be difficult to stop it militarily, and sitting on the island , Advance can be attacked and retreated can be defended, this sea is also a natural moat for defense.
However, what Haihan chose was leap-frog expansion with the ocean as the stage. He chose either an island or a natural port on the coastline of the mainland, and did not expand his ruled area deep inland.Anyone with a discerning eye knows that the cost of building and maintaining the navy is obviously much higher than that of the army, and the speed of forming an army is much slower.
Obviously there is a more reasonable direction, but Haihan has chosen a seemingly more difficult path of development. In fact, many Ming officials, including Fei Cexian, cannot understand why Haihan's senior management made such a decision.Therefore, on the issue of how Haihan officials will deal with the shortage of naval funds and personnel, his views are completely opposite to those of Su Keyi, who grew up under the influence of Dutch customs and culture.
Although Su Keyi is a Han Chinese, he grew up in a society ruled by the Dutch since he was a child, so he naturally has a deeper understanding of marine civilization.The sea expansion process of the Netherlands since the last century is actually very similar to the history of Haihan’s fortune. It is also a leapfrog development. It chooses some key areas to establish colonial ports to connect the trade routes of Dutch merchant ships all over the world.Whether it is maritime trade or shipbuilding, the Netherlands ranks first in the world in this era.
If you compare the scale of shipbuilding alone, the Netherlands can even leave Haihan behind unceremoniously. There are hundreds of shipyards in the capital Amsterdam alone, and the whole country can start building hundreds of ships at the same time.Such a huge shipbuilding scale brings relatively low cost. The cost of Dutch merchant ships is at least three points lower than that of the United Kingdom across the strait, so many European countries will also order ships from the Netherlands.
In the current era, the tonnage of Dutch merchant ships accounts for almost three-quarters of the total tonnage of European merchant ships. The timber and fish in Northern Europe, the grain and fur in Eastern Europe, and the spices, silk, and porcelain in the Far East are mostly made of Dutch merchant ships transshipment sales worldwide.As an international trade center, the port of Amsterdam has more than [-] merchant ships berthing all year round, and countless wealth and products from all over the world are gathered and completed transactions locally. Compared with the current Sanya, it is still significantly inferior in terms of business scale. Several levels.
The operation of the Dutch East India Company in the Far East also intends to follow the model of Amsterdam, trying to build Batavia into a trade center in this region.If it weren't for Haihan who turned out to be, then the development of the Netherlands in the Far East should be much smoother than it is now.In terms of international trade, the only one that can compete with Batavia in the area east of the Straits of Malacca is Manila under the Spanish rule.
It is also because of this that Su Keyi is more able to understand the development path planned by Haihan, but on a similar development track, Haihan has done a better job than the East India Company. The construction achievements in 20 years are far inferior to what Haihan achieved in less than ten years.Every time Su Keyi thinks about this matter, he still feels a little sour in his heart. He even thinks that the East India Company should give priority to seizing Hainan Island ten years ago, instead of going to Fujian to clash with Ming Dynasty. Wasted too much time and resources.
Continental civilizations and oceanic civilizations will inevitably have very different views on the international situation, so when the two discussed the information they had just figured out from the storyteller, they soon had disagreements.
"If this matter was done by Haihan officials, in my opinion, I am afraid that the navy is dissatisfied with the current treatment, so I ordered people to spread the word among the people first, and then use this as an excuse to ask the executive committee to allocate funds for the expansion of the navy." Fei Cexian took the lead in stating his conjecture: "The Navy has made great achievements in the Battle of Manila this time. If it is further promoted by public opinion, it is very likely that the Executive Committee will give it additional rewards."
After hearing this, Su Keyi shook his head slightly and said, "Master Fei's words do make sense at first glance, but if you think about it carefully, Haihan has relied heavily on the navy in the process of expanding abroad, and in the past few years, it has almost required people to give people. Money for money, when have you ever heard admirals complaining about suffering? And the people in the navy are war madmen from top to bottom. As long as there are wars to fight, they are very satisfied. Do you think that Admiral Wang Tom can earn a few dollars a year? I’ve been in Sanya for a month, so I don’t have the time to figure out how to play politics.”
Fei Cexian said, "What does Lord Su mean?"
"I think it may be an official means, but it may not be the intention of the navy." Su Keyi analyzed: "Haihan has always attached great importance to the development of the navy, but to continuously expand the strength of the navy, the military expenditure required is naturally huge. Not everyone in the executive committee agrees with the development path of supporting war with war. Let the public know first, create a wronged image for the navy, and then allocate funds to build ships later, perhaps the resistance will be less.”
Fei Cexian frowned and said, "Can it be so complicated? According to Mr. Su, the internal conflicts in Haihan can't be resolved in Fort Victory, and they have to be pushed by external forces?"
"What I'm saying is just a guess. Sir Fei doesn't need to take it too seriously." Su Keyi didn't want to argue with Fei Cexian on this issue. It was very rare for him to have a chance to communicate with Fei Cexian face to face. We should find a way to seize the opportunity to seek common ground while reserving differences, and find more common topics that agree with each other, instead of fighting to win or lose on issues that have no real hammer.
Su Keyi took the initiative to change the topic and said: "However, the Black Shark has been hidden for the past two years, and the Sanya Shipyard has not built another warship of the same type. Apart from the issue of shipbuilding funds, I have thought of other things. A possibility."
"I would like to hear the details." Fei Cexian responded quickly.
"This kind of ship...maybe there are some major defects in the construction technology or in actual use, so Haihan spent a long time adjusting it, so that it can be built after the defects are remedied. Subsequent warships of the same level." Su Keyi paused, and added: "Of course, this reason is even more impossible to announce."
Fei Cexian also felt that there was some truth when he heard it, and immediately joked: "If Mr. Su really guesses correctly, then Haihan's official announcement saying that there are insufficient funds and insufficient personnel, isn't it just a cover for the real reason?"
"The people of Haihan have always come up with a lot of tricky ideas. It's hard to say that they will do this." Su Keyi said helplessly: "This kind of new warship is obviously performing very well, but it has not increased the amount of construction. Sooner or later, people will doubt it. Instead of letting outsiders Just guessing, it would be better for the officials to take the initiative to release some rumors to confuse the public."
Fei Cexian said: "Master Su is right. From this point of view, the reason that the storyteller said earlier is indeed like a smoke deliberately released to mislead the public opinion of the outside world."
At this time, Xiao Er knocked on the door and came in to serve food. The two stopped talking in a tacit understanding. After Xiao Er put down the food and wine, they continued to communicate.
In fact, after all, the two of them suspected that there was something wrong with the source of the storyteller.However, their identities are sensitive, and they can't go to the storyteller to verify whether his source is true, so they can only close the door and make wild guesses based on their own speculation.And the results of this kind of speculation are somewhat credible, and they themselves may not take it too seriously. They just take this opportunity to express their grievances accumulated in their hearts today.
Fei Cexian took the initiative to pick up the jug and poured a glass for Su Keyi, and said, "Everyone is busy with business on weekdays and rarely has the opportunity to walk around. Today is a sneak peek from the busy schedule. It is really rare to finally be able to sit and chat with Mr. Su." what!"
Su Keyi quickly raised his glass and said, "Your Majesty Fei, you are welcome. In fact, I have always planned to come to visit you. I just thought that the Ming embassy has not yet been completed, and I want to wait until the embassy is completed before I come to pay a formal visit to Mr. Fei."
The two said a few polite words to each other, and toasted tacitly.In fact, Fei Cexian has been in Sanya for several months, and if he really wanted to meet up, he should have made an appointment long ago.It's just that the two countries have had old grievances more than ten years ago, and have never established formal diplomatic relations, so naturally they will not take the initiative to deal with each other.If it wasn't for the fact that both of them suffered a lot at the hands of the Haihan people today, and they happened to meet in this neighborhood, it would be impossible for them to sit together to eat and drink alone.
Of course, Su Keyi was more concerned about this.For the Dutch East India Company, the superficial peace with Haihan was really a last resort, or because of its own lack of strength, arm wrestling was not Haihan's opponent.But if there is a chance to trip Haihan, the East India Company will not be polite.However, the current situation of Ming Dynasty is somewhat similar to that of the East India Company, especially the envoy of Ming Dynasty, in Su Keyi's view, he is very suitable to win over.
Although the relationship between the two countries is not good, but if Daming can be united to deal with Haihan, then Su Keyi feels that he can put aside the past disputes and solve the current problems first—for example, how to curb Haihan's terrible development momentum.
However, Su Keyi is not the kind of person who talks and does things carelessly, not to mention that he has very little contact with Fei Cexian, and he doesn't know much about the temper and habits of this Ming official, so he has been carefully paying attention to the other party's attitude during the conversation, and if there is a slight If not, change the subject immediately.And Fei Cexian didn't seem to realize that Su Keyi's cautious flattery was basically thinking of what to say, and he didn't deliberately avoid the topic.
The two quickly moved from the previous topic to chatting about Hai Han's future development direction, which was a matter of great concern to their respective camps.
Fei Cexian said: "Your Majesty recently received instructions from the imperial court to pay close attention to the next movements of the Haihan army. It must be known that their enemy in the South China Sea is gone, and now all the troops can be transferred to the north. It will be extremely important for our country. Big threat."
"Master Fei, you don't need to worry too much. In my humble opinion, Haihan really doesn't have much interest in invading Ming Dynasty. At least for a period of time in the future, they will continue their previous practice of only occupying some islands close to the mainland, or key islands. regional ports without aggressively moving inland.”
Su Keyi knew much more about the situation in the South China Sea than Fei Cexian, so he immediately talked with eloquence: "Besides, even if they took down the city of Manila ruled by the Spanish, it doesn't mean that the South China Sea is peaceful. Those who dare not speak out There are quite a few countries, but there is no suitable opportunity to launch them. The Haihan people themselves know this. They are now deploying a fleet in Sanya, Jinlan and Xingdao. It is not because they are worried that they will not be able to control the situation in the South China Sea. Commander of the Navy The fleet brought back by Wang Tom from Manila has been stationed in Victory Port and has not rushed north, maybe he wants to use this to promote force to the countries in the South China Sea."
Of course, Su Keyi would not say which countries in the South China Sea were still hostile to Haihan, but he believed that Fei Cexian would understand what he wanted to express secretly.
"The people of Haihan flaunt their might, claiming to be the overlord of the South China Sea, and wantonly attacking other countries. This is overbearing, but it is not a kingly way, and it will not last long." Fei Cexian commented a few words first, and then changed the subject: "I think your country is so domineering towards the Haihan people. Are you dissatisfied with your behavior?"
Su Keyi didn't expect Fei Cexian's question to be so straightforward, so he immediately laughed and said, "Haihan's intention to monopolize many trade projects in the South China Sea is naturally in conflict with our country's interests. Fortunately, both sides are relatively rational, and we can still pass the negotiate to resolve differences of opinion."
Fei Cexian said: "Your country and Haihan are only in business conflicts, but our country and Haihan are territorial disputes that are difficult to resolve. I believe Mr. Su also knows that the place where Haihan is based is our territory. Now It has also invaded and occupied many places in our country. While Haihan State stated that it would maintain peaceful exchanges with our country, it sent troops to occupy important coastal areas in our country. How can people trust them? Even if the Haihan Executive Committee once claimed that it would not invade Daming, but just ask me, Da Ming, do you dare to rest assured?"
Su Keyi said: "Lord Fei, if you understand the development strategy of the Haihan people, you won't worry about this matter. What they want is to control the import and export trade of various countries, not how much land they actually occupy. Besides, Daming has a vast territory, and they Even if they come out in full force, how much land can they occupy?"
Fei Cexian said: "Although this is the case, Haihan people still have to guard against their wolfish ambitions. Look at the city of Manila, which is thousands of miles away from Sanya, how did Haihan let it go?"
Seeing that Fei Cexian's attitude was firm and unwavering, Su Keyi felt that he had almost tested it, so he took the initiative to ask: "Has Mr. Fei ever considered trying to limit Haihan's development momentum? For example, find more overseas Allies with aligned interests join forces..."
(End of this chapter)
As for the direction and target selection of Haihan's external expansion over the years, in fact, the outside world has always been unclear.After all, with the level of force possessed by Haihan, he can use Hainan Island as his rear base, and then send troops to expand to the mainland. I believe that whether it is Annan or Ming, it will be difficult to stop it militarily, and sitting on the island , Advance can be attacked and retreated can be defended, this sea is also a natural moat for defense.
However, what Haihan chose was leap-frog expansion with the ocean as the stage. He chose either an island or a natural port on the coastline of the mainland, and did not expand his ruled area deep inland.Anyone with a discerning eye knows that the cost of building and maintaining the navy is obviously much higher than that of the army, and the speed of forming an army is much slower.
Obviously there is a more reasonable direction, but Haihan has chosen a seemingly more difficult path of development. In fact, many Ming officials, including Fei Cexian, cannot understand why Haihan's senior management made such a decision.Therefore, on the issue of how Haihan officials will deal with the shortage of naval funds and personnel, his views are completely opposite to those of Su Keyi, who grew up under the influence of Dutch customs and culture.
Although Su Keyi is a Han Chinese, he grew up in a society ruled by the Dutch since he was a child, so he naturally has a deeper understanding of marine civilization.The sea expansion process of the Netherlands since the last century is actually very similar to the history of Haihan’s fortune. It is also a leapfrog development. It chooses some key areas to establish colonial ports to connect the trade routes of Dutch merchant ships all over the world.Whether it is maritime trade or shipbuilding, the Netherlands ranks first in the world in this era.
If you compare the scale of shipbuilding alone, the Netherlands can even leave Haihan behind unceremoniously. There are hundreds of shipyards in the capital Amsterdam alone, and the whole country can start building hundreds of ships at the same time.Such a huge shipbuilding scale brings relatively low cost. The cost of Dutch merchant ships is at least three points lower than that of the United Kingdom across the strait, so many European countries will also order ships from the Netherlands.
In the current era, the tonnage of Dutch merchant ships accounts for almost three-quarters of the total tonnage of European merchant ships. The timber and fish in Northern Europe, the grain and fur in Eastern Europe, and the spices, silk, and porcelain in the Far East are mostly made of Dutch merchant ships transshipment sales worldwide.As an international trade center, the port of Amsterdam has more than [-] merchant ships berthing all year round, and countless wealth and products from all over the world are gathered and completed transactions locally. Compared with the current Sanya, it is still significantly inferior in terms of business scale. Several levels.
The operation of the Dutch East India Company in the Far East also intends to follow the model of Amsterdam, trying to build Batavia into a trade center in this region.If it weren't for Haihan who turned out to be, then the development of the Netherlands in the Far East should be much smoother than it is now.In terms of international trade, the only one that can compete with Batavia in the area east of the Straits of Malacca is Manila under the Spanish rule.
It is also because of this that Su Keyi is more able to understand the development path planned by Haihan, but on a similar development track, Haihan has done a better job than the East India Company. The construction achievements in 20 years are far inferior to what Haihan achieved in less than ten years.Every time Su Keyi thinks about this matter, he still feels a little sour in his heart. He even thinks that the East India Company should give priority to seizing Hainan Island ten years ago, instead of going to Fujian to clash with Ming Dynasty. Wasted too much time and resources.
Continental civilizations and oceanic civilizations will inevitably have very different views on the international situation, so when the two discussed the information they had just figured out from the storyteller, they soon had disagreements.
"If this matter was done by Haihan officials, in my opinion, I am afraid that the navy is dissatisfied with the current treatment, so I ordered people to spread the word among the people first, and then use this as an excuse to ask the executive committee to allocate funds for the expansion of the navy." Fei Cexian took the lead in stating his conjecture: "The Navy has made great achievements in the Battle of Manila this time. If it is further promoted by public opinion, it is very likely that the Executive Committee will give it additional rewards."
After hearing this, Su Keyi shook his head slightly and said, "Master Fei's words do make sense at first glance, but if you think about it carefully, Haihan has relied heavily on the navy in the process of expanding abroad, and in the past few years, it has almost required people to give people. Money for money, when have you ever heard admirals complaining about suffering? And the people in the navy are war madmen from top to bottom. As long as there are wars to fight, they are very satisfied. Do you think that Admiral Wang Tom can earn a few dollars a year? I’ve been in Sanya for a month, so I don’t have the time to figure out how to play politics.”
Fei Cexian said, "What does Lord Su mean?"
"I think it may be an official means, but it may not be the intention of the navy." Su Keyi analyzed: "Haihan has always attached great importance to the development of the navy, but to continuously expand the strength of the navy, the military expenditure required is naturally huge. Not everyone in the executive committee agrees with the development path of supporting war with war. Let the public know first, create a wronged image for the navy, and then allocate funds to build ships later, perhaps the resistance will be less.”
Fei Cexian frowned and said, "Can it be so complicated? According to Mr. Su, the internal conflicts in Haihan can't be resolved in Fort Victory, and they have to be pushed by external forces?"
"What I'm saying is just a guess. Sir Fei doesn't need to take it too seriously." Su Keyi didn't want to argue with Fei Cexian on this issue. It was very rare for him to have a chance to communicate with Fei Cexian face to face. We should find a way to seize the opportunity to seek common ground while reserving differences, and find more common topics that agree with each other, instead of fighting to win or lose on issues that have no real hammer.
Su Keyi took the initiative to change the topic and said: "However, the Black Shark has been hidden for the past two years, and the Sanya Shipyard has not built another warship of the same type. Apart from the issue of shipbuilding funds, I have thought of other things. A possibility."
"I would like to hear the details." Fei Cexian responded quickly.
"This kind of ship...maybe there are some major defects in the construction technology or in actual use, so Haihan spent a long time adjusting it, so that it can be built after the defects are remedied. Subsequent warships of the same level." Su Keyi paused, and added: "Of course, this reason is even more impossible to announce."
Fei Cexian also felt that there was some truth when he heard it, and immediately joked: "If Mr. Su really guesses correctly, then Haihan's official announcement saying that there are insufficient funds and insufficient personnel, isn't it just a cover for the real reason?"
"The people of Haihan have always come up with a lot of tricky ideas. It's hard to say that they will do this." Su Keyi said helplessly: "This kind of new warship is obviously performing very well, but it has not increased the amount of construction. Sooner or later, people will doubt it. Instead of letting outsiders Just guessing, it would be better for the officials to take the initiative to release some rumors to confuse the public."
Fei Cexian said: "Master Su is right. From this point of view, the reason that the storyteller said earlier is indeed like a smoke deliberately released to mislead the public opinion of the outside world."
At this time, Xiao Er knocked on the door and came in to serve food. The two stopped talking in a tacit understanding. After Xiao Er put down the food and wine, they continued to communicate.
In fact, after all, the two of them suspected that there was something wrong with the source of the storyteller.However, their identities are sensitive, and they can't go to the storyteller to verify whether his source is true, so they can only close the door and make wild guesses based on their own speculation.And the results of this kind of speculation are somewhat credible, and they themselves may not take it too seriously. They just take this opportunity to express their grievances accumulated in their hearts today.
Fei Cexian took the initiative to pick up the jug and poured a glass for Su Keyi, and said, "Everyone is busy with business on weekdays and rarely has the opportunity to walk around. Today is a sneak peek from the busy schedule. It is really rare to finally be able to sit and chat with Mr. Su." what!"
Su Keyi quickly raised his glass and said, "Your Majesty Fei, you are welcome. In fact, I have always planned to come to visit you. I just thought that the Ming embassy has not yet been completed, and I want to wait until the embassy is completed before I come to pay a formal visit to Mr. Fei."
The two said a few polite words to each other, and toasted tacitly.In fact, Fei Cexian has been in Sanya for several months, and if he really wanted to meet up, he should have made an appointment long ago.It's just that the two countries have had old grievances more than ten years ago, and have never established formal diplomatic relations, so naturally they will not take the initiative to deal with each other.If it wasn't for the fact that both of them suffered a lot at the hands of the Haihan people today, and they happened to meet in this neighborhood, it would be impossible for them to sit together to eat and drink alone.
Of course, Su Keyi was more concerned about this.For the Dutch East India Company, the superficial peace with Haihan was really a last resort, or because of its own lack of strength, arm wrestling was not Haihan's opponent.But if there is a chance to trip Haihan, the East India Company will not be polite.However, the current situation of Ming Dynasty is somewhat similar to that of the East India Company, especially the envoy of Ming Dynasty, in Su Keyi's view, he is very suitable to win over.
Although the relationship between the two countries is not good, but if Daming can be united to deal with Haihan, then Su Keyi feels that he can put aside the past disputes and solve the current problems first—for example, how to curb Haihan's terrible development momentum.
However, Su Keyi is not the kind of person who talks and does things carelessly, not to mention that he has very little contact with Fei Cexian, and he doesn't know much about the temper and habits of this Ming official, so he has been carefully paying attention to the other party's attitude during the conversation, and if there is a slight If not, change the subject immediately.And Fei Cexian didn't seem to realize that Su Keyi's cautious flattery was basically thinking of what to say, and he didn't deliberately avoid the topic.
The two quickly moved from the previous topic to chatting about Hai Han's future development direction, which was a matter of great concern to their respective camps.
Fei Cexian said: "Your Majesty recently received instructions from the imperial court to pay close attention to the next movements of the Haihan army. It must be known that their enemy in the South China Sea is gone, and now all the troops can be transferred to the north. It will be extremely important for our country. Big threat."
"Master Fei, you don't need to worry too much. In my humble opinion, Haihan really doesn't have much interest in invading Ming Dynasty. At least for a period of time in the future, they will continue their previous practice of only occupying some islands close to the mainland, or key islands. regional ports without aggressively moving inland.”
Su Keyi knew much more about the situation in the South China Sea than Fei Cexian, so he immediately talked with eloquence: "Besides, even if they took down the city of Manila ruled by the Spanish, it doesn't mean that the South China Sea is peaceful. Those who dare not speak out There are quite a few countries, but there is no suitable opportunity to launch them. The Haihan people themselves know this. They are now deploying a fleet in Sanya, Jinlan and Xingdao. It is not because they are worried that they will not be able to control the situation in the South China Sea. Commander of the Navy The fleet brought back by Wang Tom from Manila has been stationed in Victory Port and has not rushed north, maybe he wants to use this to promote force to the countries in the South China Sea."
Of course, Su Keyi would not say which countries in the South China Sea were still hostile to Haihan, but he believed that Fei Cexian would understand what he wanted to express secretly.
"The people of Haihan flaunt their might, claiming to be the overlord of the South China Sea, and wantonly attacking other countries. This is overbearing, but it is not a kingly way, and it will not last long." Fei Cexian commented a few words first, and then changed the subject: "I think your country is so domineering towards the Haihan people. Are you dissatisfied with your behavior?"
Su Keyi didn't expect Fei Cexian's question to be so straightforward, so he immediately laughed and said, "Haihan's intention to monopolize many trade projects in the South China Sea is naturally in conflict with our country's interests. Fortunately, both sides are relatively rational, and we can still pass the negotiate to resolve differences of opinion."
Fei Cexian said: "Your country and Haihan are only in business conflicts, but our country and Haihan are territorial disputes that are difficult to resolve. I believe Mr. Su also knows that the place where Haihan is based is our territory. Now It has also invaded and occupied many places in our country. While Haihan State stated that it would maintain peaceful exchanges with our country, it sent troops to occupy important coastal areas in our country. How can people trust them? Even if the Haihan Executive Committee once claimed that it would not invade Daming, but just ask me, Da Ming, do you dare to rest assured?"
Su Keyi said: "Lord Fei, if you understand the development strategy of the Haihan people, you won't worry about this matter. What they want is to control the import and export trade of various countries, not how much land they actually occupy. Besides, Daming has a vast territory, and they Even if they come out in full force, how much land can they occupy?"
Fei Cexian said: "Although this is the case, Haihan people still have to guard against their wolfish ambitions. Look at the city of Manila, which is thousands of miles away from Sanya, how did Haihan let it go?"
Seeing that Fei Cexian's attitude was firm and unwavering, Su Keyi felt that he had almost tested it, so he took the initiative to ask: "Has Mr. Fei ever considered trying to limit Haihan's development momentum? For example, find more overseas Allies with aligned interests join forces..."
(End of this chapter)