Chapter 2785
Chapter 2785
Chapter 2785
Compared with the generous shogunate, Satsuma's military purchases are relatively simple.Although the [-] exploration-class warships in stock had already been purchased by the shogunate, Shimadzu Hisunichi did not change his mind, and still aimed at buying second-hand warships, but waited for Haihan to transfer the sealed old ships from other places. Come here, it will take longer.
However, Shimadzu Jiutong was not too anxious about this. According to his plan, he just used this time to let the sailors of the Satsuma Domain go to the Haihan Army for training and learn how to control the Exploration-class warship.In this way, after receiving warships, effective combat power can be formed more quickly.After the drill is proficient, consider ordering the next batch of warships.
For army equipment, Satsuma Fan has even less interest.Under Haihan's vigorous promotion, Hisazu Shimadzu only ordered [-] flintlock guns and [-] cannons, which is obviously far less important than the importance of maritime armed forces.Of course, this is more likely to be limited by the budget, and we have to weigh the pros and cons to make a trade-off.
As for the competitive relationship with the shogunate, Shimadzu's attitude is more sensible. In his opinion, the Satsuma domain does not yet have the strength to fight head-on with the shogunate, so there is no need to intensify the relationship with the shogunate.It is not too late to make other plans after the Satsuma clan has stronger military strength.
The real negotiation focus of Shimadzu Jiutong's trip is not actually the arms deal.Haihan had already expressed his willingness to establish a direct trade relationship with the Satsuma clan before, which is exactly the goal that the Satsuma clan has been dreaming of, but how to operate still requires the two sides to negotiate many details.
Due to the closed-door policy pursued by the Japanese shogunate, trade with China was limited to a few places such as Nagasaki Port.Although the Satsuma domain is located at the western end of the Japanese archipelago, it is not qualified to trade directly with China, and can only engage in smuggling activities secretly through the third party, Ryukyu.
However, Haihan proposed that as long as the Satsuma domain relinquishes its control over Ryukyu, they can set up business offices with the Satsuma domain, establish commercial routes, and allow Satsuma domain merchants to engage in trade activities in the Haihan ruled area.
This sounds like a quid pro quo, but Shimadzu Jiutong understands that this is a step that Haihan gave to the Satsuma clan. If the Satsuma clan is unwilling to give up its indirect control of Ryukyu, then Haihan may take military measures to intervene. With regard to Ryukyu affairs, armed conflicts will inevitably occur at that time.
The Satsuma clan has been in constant contact with the Sasebo base, and is well aware of Haihan's military strength, so before coming to Hangzhou for negotiations, the Satsuma clan has already decided to agree to Haihan's suggestion to exchange the control of Ryukyu for the right to trade.
However, public trade activities cannot be concealed from the shogunate. At that time, Satsuma's private actions will definitely become the object of censure by the shogunate. One of the tasks of Shimadzu's trip is to discuss a proper trade method with Haihan. Establish a stable trade relationship with Haihan, and at the same time be able to hide this relationship from the shogunate.
"Master Shimadzu, I think you are thinking too much. You have already met with the special envoy of the shogunate in Hangzhou. Buy a few warships for self-defense. If the Satsuma clan wants to establish a stable trade relationship with our country, it must be impossible to hide it, so it is better to think about how to deal with the shogunate’s censure.”
Beks responded directly to Shimadzu's concerns.From Haihan's standpoint, he didn't want Satsuma and the shogunate to maintain harmony, so he arranged for these two families to arrive in Hangzhou City.Even if Masuyama Masatoshi hadn't jumped in a hurry and went to the Satsuma clan's residence by himself, Haihan would still try to get them to meet and tear each other up, so as to intensify the conflict between the two sides.
Hisashi Shimadzu: "If the shogunate thinks that my actions of the Satsuma clan have violated the lock-up order, they may try to cut off the normal trade between the Satsuma clan and other parts of the country, and increase taxes to coerce us to submit. In short, as long as it can improve Satsuma Measures for the financial situation of the vassal will be suppressed by the shogunate, and our gold mining was strictly prohibited by the shogunate a few years ago."
Beks knew a little about the situation in Satsuma, and knew that what Shimadzu Hisatsutsu said was true.In order to revitalize the local economy, the Satsuma clan also thought of many ways, such as mining the Nagano gold mine, importing local specialty brown sugar from Amami Island in Ryukyu, etc., but these measures were all stopped by the shogunate after they were exposed.In the end, it can only obtain benefits through the Ryukyu entrepot trade.
The reason why the shogunate suppressed the Satsuma domain is also very simple. If such remote areas are allowed to have too much strength, the shogunate is likely to lose control of the area, which will lead to separatism and division.For the shogunate and the Satsuma domain, under the current power structure, this is basically an irreconcilable natural contradiction.
Bai Kesi said: "Even if the Satsuma clan has been timid and cautious, the shogunate will not stop suppressing you. Master Shimadzu, I want to remind you again that the purpose of our selling arms and equipment to the Satsuma clan is to make you Have the courage to say no in the face of external pressure!"
Shimadzu Hisao said: "But no matter which aspect, the strength of the Satsuma clan is far inferior to the shogunate. What if the shogunate really sends troops? Can we change the situation by buying these warships?"
Bai Kesi said: "As long as the Satsuma clan signs a formal trade agreement with our country, then we can add a clause that our country can provide military protection for the Satsuma clan when necessary. If the shogunate sends troops to attack the Satsuma clan, then we will transfer troops from the Sasebo base." Calm down disputes and ensure the safety of Satsuma."
The conditions offered by Bai Kesi are undoubtedly very tempting. If they can get asylum from Haihan, the Satsuma domain really doesn't need to worry too much about the attitude of the shogunate.
But Shimadzu Jiumichi is not a fool. He knows that there will be no such good thing as the sky, Haihan offered to provide military protection, and there must be demands. It cannot be as simple as adding a line to the trade agreement.
Sure enough, Beks then put forward a clear request: "Of course, the Satsuma domain must also publicly express its position and support our country's interests in the Kyushu region."
Hisazu Shimadzu was puzzled, "What kind of interest demands?"
Bai Kesi said: "I, a Haihan citizen, can settle in the Kyushu area, buy property, engage in trade activities, and be protected by our laws."
Hisazu Shimadzu faintly felt that something was wrong, but he couldn't tell what the problem was.But he knew that if the Satsuma clan stood up and made a public statement, it would essentially treat the shogunate as nothing, and the relationship with the shogunate would only deteriorate further.As for the security of the Satsuma domain, to a certain extent, they had to rely on the asylum promised by Haihan.
(End of this chapter)
Compared with the generous shogunate, Satsuma's military purchases are relatively simple.Although the [-] exploration-class warships in stock had already been purchased by the shogunate, Shimadzu Hisunichi did not change his mind, and still aimed at buying second-hand warships, but waited for Haihan to transfer the sealed old ships from other places. Come here, it will take longer.
However, Shimadzu Jiutong was not too anxious about this. According to his plan, he just used this time to let the sailors of the Satsuma Domain go to the Haihan Army for training and learn how to control the Exploration-class warship.In this way, after receiving warships, effective combat power can be formed more quickly.After the drill is proficient, consider ordering the next batch of warships.
For army equipment, Satsuma Fan has even less interest.Under Haihan's vigorous promotion, Hisazu Shimadzu only ordered [-] flintlock guns and [-] cannons, which is obviously far less important than the importance of maritime armed forces.Of course, this is more likely to be limited by the budget, and we have to weigh the pros and cons to make a trade-off.
As for the competitive relationship with the shogunate, Shimadzu's attitude is more sensible. In his opinion, the Satsuma domain does not yet have the strength to fight head-on with the shogunate, so there is no need to intensify the relationship with the shogunate.It is not too late to make other plans after the Satsuma clan has stronger military strength.
The real negotiation focus of Shimadzu Jiutong's trip is not actually the arms deal.Haihan had already expressed his willingness to establish a direct trade relationship with the Satsuma clan before, which is exactly the goal that the Satsuma clan has been dreaming of, but how to operate still requires the two sides to negotiate many details.
Due to the closed-door policy pursued by the Japanese shogunate, trade with China was limited to a few places such as Nagasaki Port.Although the Satsuma domain is located at the western end of the Japanese archipelago, it is not qualified to trade directly with China, and can only engage in smuggling activities secretly through the third party, Ryukyu.
However, Haihan proposed that as long as the Satsuma domain relinquishes its control over Ryukyu, they can set up business offices with the Satsuma domain, establish commercial routes, and allow Satsuma domain merchants to engage in trade activities in the Haihan ruled area.
This sounds like a quid pro quo, but Shimadzu Jiutong understands that this is a step that Haihan gave to the Satsuma clan. If the Satsuma clan is unwilling to give up its indirect control of Ryukyu, then Haihan may take military measures to intervene. With regard to Ryukyu affairs, armed conflicts will inevitably occur at that time.
The Satsuma clan has been in constant contact with the Sasebo base, and is well aware of Haihan's military strength, so before coming to Hangzhou for negotiations, the Satsuma clan has already decided to agree to Haihan's suggestion to exchange the control of Ryukyu for the right to trade.
However, public trade activities cannot be concealed from the shogunate. At that time, Satsuma's private actions will definitely become the object of censure by the shogunate. One of the tasks of Shimadzu's trip is to discuss a proper trade method with Haihan. Establish a stable trade relationship with Haihan, and at the same time be able to hide this relationship from the shogunate.
"Master Shimadzu, I think you are thinking too much. You have already met with the special envoy of the shogunate in Hangzhou. Buy a few warships for self-defense. If the Satsuma clan wants to establish a stable trade relationship with our country, it must be impossible to hide it, so it is better to think about how to deal with the shogunate’s censure.”
Beks responded directly to Shimadzu's concerns.From Haihan's standpoint, he didn't want Satsuma and the shogunate to maintain harmony, so he arranged for these two families to arrive in Hangzhou City.Even if Masuyama Masatoshi hadn't jumped in a hurry and went to the Satsuma clan's residence by himself, Haihan would still try to get them to meet and tear each other up, so as to intensify the conflict between the two sides.
Hisashi Shimadzu: "If the shogunate thinks that my actions of the Satsuma clan have violated the lock-up order, they may try to cut off the normal trade between the Satsuma clan and other parts of the country, and increase taxes to coerce us to submit. In short, as long as it can improve Satsuma Measures for the financial situation of the vassal will be suppressed by the shogunate, and our gold mining was strictly prohibited by the shogunate a few years ago."
Beks knew a little about the situation in Satsuma, and knew that what Shimadzu Hisatsutsu said was true.In order to revitalize the local economy, the Satsuma clan also thought of many ways, such as mining the Nagano gold mine, importing local specialty brown sugar from Amami Island in Ryukyu, etc., but these measures were all stopped by the shogunate after they were exposed.In the end, it can only obtain benefits through the Ryukyu entrepot trade.
The reason why the shogunate suppressed the Satsuma domain is also very simple. If such remote areas are allowed to have too much strength, the shogunate is likely to lose control of the area, which will lead to separatism and division.For the shogunate and the Satsuma domain, under the current power structure, this is basically an irreconcilable natural contradiction.
Bai Kesi said: "Even if the Satsuma clan has been timid and cautious, the shogunate will not stop suppressing you. Master Shimadzu, I want to remind you again that the purpose of our selling arms and equipment to the Satsuma clan is to make you Have the courage to say no in the face of external pressure!"
Shimadzu Hisao said: "But no matter which aspect, the strength of the Satsuma clan is far inferior to the shogunate. What if the shogunate really sends troops? Can we change the situation by buying these warships?"
Bai Kesi said: "As long as the Satsuma clan signs a formal trade agreement with our country, then we can add a clause that our country can provide military protection for the Satsuma clan when necessary. If the shogunate sends troops to attack the Satsuma clan, then we will transfer troops from the Sasebo base." Calm down disputes and ensure the safety of Satsuma."
The conditions offered by Bai Kesi are undoubtedly very tempting. If they can get asylum from Haihan, the Satsuma domain really doesn't need to worry too much about the attitude of the shogunate.
But Shimadzu Jiumichi is not a fool. He knows that there will be no such good thing as the sky, Haihan offered to provide military protection, and there must be demands. It cannot be as simple as adding a line to the trade agreement.
Sure enough, Beks then put forward a clear request: "Of course, the Satsuma domain must also publicly express its position and support our country's interests in the Kyushu region."
Hisazu Shimadzu was puzzled, "What kind of interest demands?"
Bai Kesi said: "I, a Haihan citizen, can settle in the Kyushu area, buy property, engage in trade activities, and be protected by our laws."
Hisazu Shimadzu faintly felt that something was wrong, but he couldn't tell what the problem was.But he knew that if the Satsuma clan stood up and made a public statement, it would essentially treat the shogunate as nothing, and the relationship with the shogunate would only deteriorate further.As for the security of the Satsuma domain, to a certain extent, they had to rely on the asylum promised by Haihan.
(End of this chapter)